Originally posted by leonidasIn all fairness, I don't remember Bloodwynd doing much at all against DD - and didn't 'DoS' take place before Guy had really done many noteworthy things (can't recall right off hand.)
jonzz (bloodwynd) and guy were part of the wrecked bunch. that's not TOO bad . . . i forget the others, but he demolished them--handily.
Anyhow, some of the others characters were:
Booster Gold
Blue Beetle (the shitty one)
Maxima
Fire/Ice
It's really not a very impressive roster, imo.
Originally posted by leonidasI could.
meh, i get your point, but still--i can't see nimrod coming close to doing what he did to even THAT jla roster. 😬
Originally posted by Galan007
In all fairness, I don't remember Bloodwynd doing much at all against DD - and didn't 'DoS' take place before Guy had really done many noteworthy things (can't recall right off hand.)
nah. guy had loads of feats by that point. and he was a complete non-factor in that battle. don't forget--it was also shown retroactively that dd had already KILLED loads of lanterns BEFORE meeting with this group. dos was a REALLY bad mofo . . .
Anyhow, some of the others characters were:
Booster Gold
Blue Beetle (the shitty one)
Maxima
Fire/IceIt's really not a very impressive roster, imo.
maxima (who is in ww's and superman's class and has DEFEATED orion))/fire/ice/guy/bloodwynd (didn't do much but was STILL jonzz and was ko'd too early to do anything . . .) is pretty respectable. not the big 7, but not nearly as bad as has been let on. in his brief stint, bloodwynd had some pretty decent feats. it's taken MUCH less than that--on panel--to dispose of nimrod. seriously--what feats of nimrod's make you think he could take out a group like that, or someone like dd? rogue using colossus and nightcrawler literally decimated him in a couple panels, leland nearly solo'd nimrod when his gravity control almost overloaded him and took him out. nimrod didn't even take out juggs--he was merely hurting him and had juggs used his shield, nimrod couldn't have done anything at all to the big lug.
I could.
well my friend, we'll agree to disagree. 🙂
To think about it, except gravity based attacks that will remove DD from ground, nothing in Nimrod's standard package will put him down. Still, i give Nimrod a possibility of assembling BFG that will kill DD, given time.
Moreover, Nimrod is exactly that kind of opponent who will see nessesity of gravity-based attacks.
So, can DD repel them?
Originally posted by leonidas
nah. guy had loads of feats by that point. and he was a complete non-factor in that battle. don't forget--it was also shown retroactively that dd had already KILLED loads of lanterns BEFORE meeting with this group. dos was a REALLY bad mofo . . .maxima (who is in ww's and superman's class and has DEFEATED orion))/fire/ice/guy/bloodwynd (didn't do much but was STILL jonzz and was ko'd too early to do anything . . .) is pretty respectable. not the big 7, but not nearly as bad as has been let on. in his brief stint, bloodwynd had some pretty decent feats. it's taken MUCH less than that--on panel--to dispose of nimrod. seriously--what feats of nimrod's make you think he could take out a group like that, or someone like dd? rogue using colossus and nightcrawler literally decimated him in a couple panels, leland nearly solo'd nimrod when his gravity control almost overloaded him and took him out. nimrod didn't even take out juggs--he was merely hurting him and had juggs used his shield, nimrod couldn't have done anything at all to the big lug.
well my friend, we'll agree to disagree. 🙂
Maxima was whipping doomsday ass. Maybe you need to look at that fight again. She only got dropped when superman interviened
Originally posted by carver9
Maxima was whipping doomsday ass. Maybe you need to look at that fight again. She only got dropped when superman interviened
she smacked him around some--it was a GREAT showing for her--but nothing makes me believe she had him in any real trouble. and as i said--maxima is IN superman's class. someone capable of taking out orion SHOULD have laid down some damage. imo, she--alone--would take out nimrod, handily.
Originally posted by leonidas
she smacked him around some--it was a GREAT showing for her--but nothing makes me believe she had him in any real trouble. and as i said--maxima is IN superman's class. someone capable of taking out orion SHOULD have laid down some damage. imo, she--alone--would take out nimrod, handily.
She might could but I was just correcting you. The little part of the fight that was shown, doomsday didnt land a punch. She dominated him the entire fight; hell her showing against doomsday made superman look like sh**.
It wasnt good for you to bring her up.
Originally posted by carver9
She might could but I was just correcting you. The little part of the fight that was shown, doomsday didnt land a punch. She dominated him the entire fight; hell her showing against doomsday made superman look like sh**.It wasnt good for you to bring her up.
better to leave her out and pretend she didn't show up? 😕
again, it does nothing to damage what i was saying. AFTER handling the league AND battling superman for an extended period of time, THEN max showed up and had a GREAT showing. was dd in trouble? i don't think so at all. she roughed him up like superman did, but again--she SHOULD have, she was in his league. i think handling the league, then superman, then max then superman AGAIN, only shows how powerful even this 'lesser' version of dd really was.
Originally posted by leonidas
better to leave her out and pretend she didn't show up? 😕again, it does nothing to damage what i was saying. AFTER handling the league AND battling superman for an extended period of time, THEN max showed up and had a GREAT showing. was dd in trouble? i don't think so at all. she roughed him up like superman did, but again--she SHOULD have, she was in his league. i think handling the league, then superman, then max then superman AGAIN, only shows how powerful even this 'lesser' version of dd really was.
i think nimrod could also take out that supes since he did get koed by a gas station. If nimrod was to repeat what he did to juggernaut on THAT superman, he wouldnt have lasted even 5 minutes in a battle like that.
Originally posted by carver9
i think nimrod could also take out that supes since he did get koed by a gas station. If nimrod was to repeat what he did to juggernaut on THAT superman, he wouldnt have lasted even 5 minutes in a battle like that.
the question isn't superman vs nimrod (if you think nimrod takes supes, well . . . open a thread see how well THAT goes for you 😉 ) it's nimrod vs dd, so i have no idea where you're going. the gas station thing was late, and he'd already been weakened so . . . who cares? 😕
on topic--dd wins this fight handily, imo. you disagree, that's what makes the forum go round . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
better to leave her out and pretend she didn't show up? 😕again, it does nothing to damage what i was saying. AFTER handling the league AND battling superman for an extended period of time, THEN max showed up and had a GREAT showing. was dd in trouble? i don't think so at all. she roughed him up like superman did, but again--she SHOULD have, she was in his league. i think handling the league, then superman, then max then superman AGAIN, only shows how powerful even this 'lesser' version of dd really was.
i have to agree. and as you said, there was the green lanterns too...
Originally posted by leonidas
have i mentioned how you always been my favourite mod lately pr . . .?😍
😂
Originally posted by Enyalus
Maxima's in Diana's weight class. Neither are in Superman's...And, it was one GL, wasn't it? Guy. Prior to him doing much of anything.
we're referring to dd's little trip to oa...
Originally posted by leonidasThat's IF you believe DoS DD was at full/maximum power. I, however, am of the mind that he was not.
don't forget--it was also shown retroactively that dd had already KILLED loads of lanterns BEFORE meeting with this group. dos was a REALLY bad mofo . . .
My reasoning:
Bertron stated that DD is fed/nourished by solar rays - and he can store said energy for a millennium (2,000 years) if need be. But the events of the DD annual you're referring to (including DD's imprisonment) took place 200,000+ years before the events of DoS. (ie. DD had not seen any type of solar radiation for THAT long.)
So if what Bertron said can be taken literally (and there's no reason to assume it cannot) - then we can logically say that DD was more than likely not at full power. Actually, I'd say we can assume he was quite emaciated (as far as his energy levels are concerned.)
imo, of course. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidasFine by me. 😉
well my friend, we'll agree to disagree. 🙂
I don't think anyone's contesting the fact that Doomsday wasn't at the level he was displayed in the Year One issue. At least I hope not. ermm
Anyhow, his durability was pretty insane, and when I'm saying this I'm specifically reffering to the instance of him tanking the combined assault of Guy, Superman and the others with practically no effect. Too bad most people have the 'he was downed by DoS Superman' in mind and generally underestimate him.
Originally posted by Galan007
That's IF you believe DoS DD was at full/maximum power. I, however, am of the mind that he was not.My reasoning:
Bertron stated that DD is fed/nourished by solar rays - and he can store said energy for a millennium (2,000 years) if need be. But the events of the DD annual you're referring to (including DD's imprisonment) took place 200,000+ years before the events of DoS. (ie. DD had not seen any type of solar radiation for THAT long.)So if what Bertron said can be taken literally (and there's no reason to assume it cannot) - then we can logically say that DD was more than likely not at full power. Actually, I'd say we can assume he was quite emaciated (as far as his energy levels are concerned.)
imo, of course. 🙂
Fine by me. 😉
philo said it right--i'm not claiming he was at--or really even all that close to--that level. he WAS gaining power quickly though and imo, based on his feats in that dos arc, he was still quite a bit beyond the ways nimrod has been portrayed.
on a seperate note, re: max not being in supes league--maybe not superman HIMSELF, but in his league? absolutely. she's basically has diana's warrior mindset, coupled with uber tp and a lot of magneto. she was CERTAINLY diana-level, and diana too, while not superman, is close enough in overall class for the differnece to be negligible.