Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
It was in Advent Children, which is canon to the game.So because of what some random internet people say about your review threads, your opinion>Most other people's?
Humorous.
'Canon to the game' is a nonsense statement. This is all about the games only, as is the argument- all about how Square constructec characters inside their games. So forget entirely about Advent Children.
And I'll simply put it like this- I am absolutely certain that in this matter that my opinion is worth more than yours, and certainly that it will be respected more by intelligent people here, yup. Just how it is.
Well if you don't care what I think there really wasn't much point you making a comment directed straight to me at all, was there? So I don't really believe that either; you wanted that comment to bug me.
Sorry, but the fact is that I do ghave a certain pull around here, and when I spend too long without making a review regulars here do start asking me for more, which doens't happen with anyone else. Call it 'random people' if you want, but the fact is it is the regular patrons here and around here that is what counts. So my opinion on things is certainly regarded more than that of random posters, and even more so as reagrds to posters who have a cetain negative/troublesome reputation. Which is not to say it is in any way universal or overriding but it IS a point of significance.
However, as in any case it is well known that those who like Squall are in the minority it is all faintly irrelevant anyway. I am just providing the reasons why he alienated people.
I didn't say I didn't care about what you think. I just said I wasn't worried about it. I'm not sitting in this chair frothing at the mouth and fiending over wither you're going to find my opinion acceptable or not.
And, perhaps those people who egg on your reviews are just idiots and what they say shouldn't influence anything? That's not what I'm stating as a fact, I'm just making an example, of why that's a fallacious line of thinking. "More people agree with me so I'm probably right", is a poor way of thinking. You know that.
It holds no significance at all unless this is a popularity contest.
Well if you want to call the forum regulars around here idiots (including the mods) then that is your business but I don't see it as a rational or sensible method of thinking.
If it is coming to a comparison of value of opinions, it's the only measure we've got. I also know from general posting here for many. many years that my opinion is well regarded with interest in many areas of the forums. The simple fact is that my opinions do carry more weight and significance than, for example, several of those disagreeing with me in this thread. Again- that's just how it is.
You can disagree if you want but you can think the Moon is made of cheese if you want as well; the evidence for my view is plain to see if you go look. That's my last word on this matter.
Squall being shitty doesn't really have to do with who has the more worthy opinion, it just has to do with him being a disaster of a main character, which is apparent to just about everyone who plays the damn game past disc 2.
He is a walking cliche, he's shown as being 'brooding' by standing quietly against a wall with his arms crossed looking down all the time, and not responding to people when they speak to him. That's the kind of thing you'd see portrayed in 6th grade fiction, not a full blown quality game.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
[B]Well if you want to call the forum regulars around here idiots (including the mods) then that is your business but I don't see it as a rational or sensible method of thinking.
Read.
If it is coming to a comparison of value of opinions, it's the only measure we've got.
No it's not.
I also know from general posting here for many. many years that my opinion is well regarded with interest in many areas of the forums.
Irrelevant.
The simple fact is that my opinions do carry more weight and significance than, for example, several of those disagreeing with me in this thread. Again- that's just how it is.
Irrelevant.
You can disagree if you want but you can think the Moon is made of cheese if you want as well; the evidence for my view is plain to see if you go look. That's my last word on this matter.
I accept your concession on the matter. Good on you to take the mans way out. That automatically makes you a better character than most.
Ha! That's simple spamming and trolling that you just did there, from your clearly nonsensical portraying of those very valid parts of it as 'irrelevant' to your passive-aggressive last line,. I'm sorry you are aggrieved that I have earned a certain respected reputation around here, but rather than trolling me your efforts would be better put towards earning one of your own.
Meanwhile- troll me like that again and you'll get a warning.
Originally posted by Ushgarak1. Ignorant statement. Advent Children is part of his ACTUAL CHARACTER, so it is relevant, and if you disagree, you are simply wrong.
'Canon to the game' is a nonsense statement. This is all about the games only, as is the argument- all about how Square constructec characters inside their games. So forget entirely about Advent Children.And I'll simply put it like this- I am absolutely certain that in this matter that my opinion is worth more than yours, and certainly that it will be respected more by intelligent people here, yup. Just how it is.
2. More intelligent people? What are you implying my good sir?
And fun fact, most of this forum, and the videogame forums, are idiots(And before you say I am bashing, I did not name a name on this forum, so no, you cannot say I am). So what they think about your reviews really has no meaning to me at all.
Don't get me wrong, Squall is by no means some sort of great character, better than Tidus and Cloud though? In my opinion yes.
Thunder- fact is this is the Video Game forum, this is a thread about the games only and the comparisons being made are purely about the games, not ANY form of spin-off material. Again, that is just how it is. If you want to say that Cloud in Advent Chilsren became mroe annoying, fine. But in a comparison between VII and VIII, what he was like in AC is of no relevance at all, and that's what we are talking about here. That's the rules of the game. Feel free to ask the mods about it. If you want to discuss AC related things, do it in the apprporiate forum area.
Take the implication any way you will. What I say above covers the rest. But I really wouldn't recommend mass labelling most the people that use this place idiots- that really isn't going to do you any good.
Okay, just to make it clear.
We're talking about video games here. No one gives a damn about Advent Children. I don't care how Cloud acted in that. We are talking solely about the games here. AC is irrelevant to this discussion, and no foot-stamping will change that.
Also, I'm not going to tolerate the insinuations that the long-time regulars of this forum are idiots. That IS flaming; I don't care if no names were named. It's not going to stand and it's not going to happen.
And I'm going to be very skeptical of someone's opinion if they believe that the only reason a character has issues is because of what said character said their problem is. That shows a severe lack of understanding about how people and their minds work - and don't try to argue that point with me. You'll fail, hard. Trust me.
Originally posted by Ushgarak1. I am sorry sir, but that is something I refuse to accept. Cloud in AC and the game are the same person in storyline, so why should I consider them separate?
Thunder- fact is this is the Video Game forum, this is a thread about the games only and the comparisons being made are purely about the games, not ANY form of spin-off material. Again, that is just how it is. If you want to say that Cloud in Advent Chilsren became mroe annoying, fine. But in a comparison between VII and VIII, what he was like in AC is of no relevance at all, and that's what we are talking about here. That's the rules of the game. Feel free to ask the mods about it. If tyou want to discuss AC related things, do it in the approriate forum area.Take the implication any way you will. What I say above covers the rest. But I really wouldn't recommend mass labelling most the people that use this place idiots- that really isn't going to do you any good.
2. I couldn't care less about how anyone in this forum views me as, I've been told I am not a very nice guy, but I don't care about forum rep as much as some people.
1. Well, because the mod in here just defined the subject of the thread as so.
2. Well then I hope you don't care too much when you eventually get booted out of here for all the isuses you keep having with these people you don't care about (i.e. everyone), because we sure as heck don't want people like that around here. I'll be keeping a careful watch.
Originally posted by Peach1. Foot-stamping? No, I am pointing out how logically, you are incorrect in the purest sense of the word. No mod-status can change that.
Okay, just to make it clear.We're talking about video games here. No one gives a damn about Advent Children. I don't care how Cloud acted in that. We are talking [b]solely
about the games here. AC is irrelevant to this discussion, and no foot-stamping will change that.Also, I'm not going to tolerate the insinuations that the long-time regulars of this forum are idiots. That IS flaming; I don't care if no names were named. It's not going to stand and it's not going to happen.
And I'm going to be very skeptical of someone's opinion if they believe that the only reason a character has issues is because of what said character said their problem is. That shows a severe lack of understanding about how people and their minds work - and don't try to argue that point with me. You'll fail, hard. Trust me. [/B]
2. Long-standing members? Never insinuated such a thing, I was speaking in general. But fine, I won't bring it up again.
3. Way to take what I said out of context. Granted, I am wrong about Tidus not having suffered some emotional trauma due to his father's disappearance and death looking back at it, I can admit I am wrong unlike some people.
Originally posted by Ushgarak1. Being a mod does not make you correct.
1. Well, because the mod in here just defined the subject of the thread as so.2. Well then I hope you don't care too much when you eventually get booted out of here for all the isuses you keep having with these people you don't care about (i.e. everyone), because we sure as heck don't want people like that around here. I'll be keeping a careful watch.
2. Having a poor disposition is not breaking a rule. But I like how you nigh-outright stated that you are going to look for any excuse to ban me.
Logically it would make sense to reference the characters only from their appearances in games when discussing purely their videogame personifcation. Adding canon that was thrown together a decade later to try and decry their quality from the game is sloppy at best.
The discussion is purely about the games, not the canon. Simple concept, really.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Foot-stamping? No, I am pointing out how logically, you are incorrect in the purest sense of the word. No mod-status can change that.2. Long-standing members? Never insinuated such a thing, I was speaking in general. But fine, I won't bring it up again.
3. Way to take what I said out of context. Granted, I am wrong about Tidus not having suffered some emotional trauma due to his father's disappearance and death looking back at it, I can admit I am wrong unlike some people.
And I don't care if you think I'm incorrect. This is about the games. Just like how we don't consider AC canon in the Vs forum. Games matter only.
I only admit that I'm wrong when I actually am. I will happily state that I have a much better understanding of why people act the way they do and the way the mind works than you do, and thus I can more accurately analyze a character.
Now, what I said isn't really up for debate, so I'd leave it were I you.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Being a mod does not make you correct.2. Having a poor disposition is not breaking a rule. But I like how you nigh-outright stated that you are going to look for any excuse to ban me.
When it comes to stating the rules, it does.
And I wouldn't even need to look for reasons to ban you - I will flat out state right now that it's only because I err on the side of leniency that you're still on KMC at all.
So drop it.