Kratos & Dante vs Sephiroth & Cloud

Started by Demonic Phoenix3 pages

Originally posted by BloodRain
The 11th labour is to collect the apples. He didn't need Atlas for it like Herc in myth did. Besides, Atlas couldn't have stopped his duties to go pick apples if he wanted to.

Myths are unchanged in the GoW verse unless specifically noted (it's also why GoW gods are/were not allowed as VS characters here on KMC). So I'm sorry, but your opinion doesn't debunk anything.

Unless specifically noted? Like Atlas being chained to position unlike the myth? That isn't noteworthy for this feat?

So no, Herc did not take his position as he could not. This is forgetting the height difference or the ridiculous idea that GoW's Atalas would do the grocery shopping and come back without going ahead with all of his revenge plots.

Atlas is chained to the world. He couldn't leave to let Hercules take his place. For that matter, how would Hercules have accomplished this feat? He is nowhere near the size of Atlas; even the gods are far smaller than the four-armed Titan. Strength alone could not accomplish this feat.

The Labors may have occurred, but given these truths we can't assume that he picked the Golden Apples by bearing Atlas' burden, like he did in the myth.

Kratos overpowered hades in a tug of war, and hades was strong enough to bring atlas down to his knees.

Also, yes kratos should be able to take continental power, since He phsycially beat Poseidon to death, and Poseidon held enough energy in his body to control enough water to flood the planet up to nearly the top of mount olympus, that's easily in the teraton range.

:hmm so we must wait gow 3 novel ....

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Kratos never held up the Earth. He fought Hercules, who was the one who did it.

Kinda what I meant to say, my mistake

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Kratos overpowered hades in a tug of war, and hades was strong enough to bring atlas down to his knees.

Also, yes kratos should be able to take continental power, since He phycially beat Poseidon to death, and Poseidon held enough energy in his body to control enough water to flood the planet up to nearly the top of mount olympus, that's easily in the teraton range.

Another example.

Atlas was durable enough to tank the destruction of the world pillar, point blank, in the center.

The pillar is durable enough to hold up the Gow Earth despite it not being much wider than Atlas, meaning the pressure its taking is immense, compared to if it was much larger.

Atlas was not durable enough to tank Poseidon's lightning however, whereas Kratos tanked Zeus'. So the Gods' have great output, and Kratos can tank the best of the Gods'. Helios' was outright said to be able to destroy the world too in Chains of Olympus.

There's also Uranus, he was the primordial in the intro of Ascension whose body all of Space came from(it was confirmed that its Uranus in the God of War Ascension artbook). Uranus just like in the myth, is the father of Cronos. Cronos overthrew and killed Uranus; https://godofwar.playstation.com/en-us/timeline/

, starting the cycle.

cronos kill uranus ?? how ?? i mean uranus is universal god , how cronos can kill uranus ??

If the scenes shown in the intro of Ascension were supposed to be a literal depiction of events this would mean that stars in the GoW universe are nowhere near the size of real life ones (they'd be much smaller than mountains in fact), and consequently that the universe in GoW isn't the same size as in real life either, which Occam's razor would have us assume it to be otherwise.

Going by the God of War world's parameters being ''universal'' should be just a few notches above planet level, again if the fight scenes between the primordials shown in the intro can be taken at face value.

Originally posted by stargun
If the scenes shown in the intro of Ascension were supposed to be a literal depiction of events this would mean that stars in the GoW universe are nowhere near the size of real life ones (they'd be much smaller than mountains in fact), and consequently that the universe in GoW isn't the same size as in real life either, which Occam's razor would have us assume it to be otherwise.

Going by the God of War world's parameters being ''universal'' should be just a few notches above planet level, again if the fight scenes between the primordials shown in the intro can be taken at face value.

ehh..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Go3_vk1Q_8

One of the Primordials that was seen in the intro of Ascension had shining flocks on his skin and was wearing a helmet, too. After he was punched, stars flew in the atmosphere.
can you explain how that stars in that scene are much smaller than mountains ? :hmm and also you probably want to check this picture http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/god-of-war-4/4/43/GoW-0943.jpg . i don't think stars in that scene are much smaller than mountain :hmm

Because we can still clearly see those two right after the stars were released and were coming towards the camera, and the light coming out of Uranos' body was still visible even when that nebula thingy could be be seen entirely. Later in the video we were shown that the Primordials are not actually astronomical multi-light year in size, but only somewhat taller than mountains.

And that painting couldn't have been depicting the God of War world at all given what we know about it. The Earth in GoW is flat and held by a pillar located in Ades' realm, and the Sun in it is basically a shining temple powered by Helios.

The Primordials were not shown to scale and was not consistent.

At one point their toe was mountain sized. In another part of the scene they were not much taller than mountain themselves.

While the sun itself is about small mountain sized in God of War, which itself was stated to be planetary level, the stars in the sky are not.

Olympus itself is confirmed via guide + dev statement and feats to be over thousands of miles tall (Kratos fell practically vertically to Rhodes even though its about 400 miles away from the base of Olympus, and Ares descended into a completely different country from Olympus). And the stars in the sky are still visible despite being even farther away.

God of War Earth, despite the claim of have edges, has still been shown to be a spherical shape every time its been shown from space; see God of War Chains of Olympus intro for example. There are other scenes that escape me right now, that suggest the world isn't exactly flat by any means, but seems to have a noticeable curve to its horizon. So it isn't exactly a contradiction, it could just mean that the view of Earth from space gets distorted somehow.

There's also the fact that Atlas was said to be holding up the crust of the Earth, and not the entire earth.

ehhh.... i think you want to check this video ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C0CfzwWPuQ in the beginning , narrator of the game said : "on the edge of the aegean, where the great God, HELIOS, banishes nyx from the night sky, an epic battle rages within the great walled ity of troy. this legendary conflict has claimed countless live, leaving nothing but ruin in its wake.

so, what do you think ? :hmm

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The Primordials were not shown to scale and was not consistent.

At one point their toe was mountain sized. In another part of the scene they were not much taller than mountain themselves.

Going from what should've been hundreds to thousands of light years in size as the ''Big Bang'' scene suggests at first glance to smaller than a planet by any degree (enough so to walk in its surface at least in this case) is a tad too much to be blamed on scale inconsistency. But the Primordials were never shown to dwarf any mountains to that extent (toe size), at most they could casually step on some of them, and of course rock formations exist in various sizes so it's not necessarily an inconsistency that some were comparable to them in height.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
While the sun itself is about small mountain sized in God of War, which itself was stated to be planetary level, the stars in the sky are not.

Olympus itself is confirmed via guide + dev statement and feats to be over thousands of miles tall (Kratos fell practically vertically to Rhodes even though its about 400 miles away from the base of Olympus, and Ares descended into a completely different country from Olympus). And the stars in the sky are still visible despite being even farther away.

That just means their light source is intense enough to make them visible at that distance. For comparison Alpha Centauri (closest star to our Sun) is over twenty million times its own diameter away from us.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
God of War Earth, despite the claim of have edges, has still been shown to be a spherical shape every time its been shown from space; see God of War Chains of Olympus intro for example. There are other scenes that escape me right now, that suggest the world isn't exactly flat by any means, but seems to have a noticeable curve to its horizon. So it isn't exactly a contradiction, it could just mean that the view of Earth from space gets distorted somehow.

There's also the fact that Atlas was said to be holding up the crust of the Earth, and not the entire earth.

Eh, I can't really remember of any shots of the GoW Earth from space at all...

There's that in a GoW game. Whether it's a painting of GoW Earth, or for another IP by SSM, who knows. srug

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

There's that in a GoW game. Whether it's a painting of GoW Earth, or for another IP by SSM, who knows. srug

should we ask the depelovers ?

The commercial for chains of olympus also shows a normal earth, and the statue of atlas in gow 1 also shows a spherical earth, so there is no reason to think the planet is any different from ours.

Originally posted by stargun
And that painting couldn't have been depicting the God of War world at all given what we know about it. The Earth in GoW is flat and held by a pillar located in Ades' realm, and the Sun in it is basically a shining temple powered by Helios. [/B]

I dont think so, I seem to recall the normal sun rising and the post credit cutscene in God of war 3 after helios was dead.

And atlas is actually holding up the crust of the earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcf8cxl9X3E check this

Well, I' m new to this site and cannot post a link yet. Did Kratos really react to that beam attack by Helios or his hands come later? This is before he rips his head off. Anyone wants to clear this?