Originally posted by quanchi112
He wasn't blindsided. He announces he will will defend himself and stand in Ares' way and Ares' kills him in no time.Kevdude please do your homework its easy to tell when someone hasn't read the actual fight.
Nice work Quan, like I said I haven't seen the scans in a long while but knew it was through prep and trickery. 😎
Originally posted by kevdudeHe didn't cheapshot him is the point. What he accomplished he did through prep, but defeating Izaya has nothing to do with that.
Nice work Quan, like I said I haven't seen the scans in a long while but knew it was through prep and trickery. 😎
He shows off that his prep skills not only beat Ds, but they also totally shocked Izaya.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds has never beaten Izaya as easily as Ares did in genesis.
Gotta disgaree with that one
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Adventure460_28.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Adventure460_29.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Adventure460_30.jpg
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With Dessad's glove
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_4_005.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_4_006.jpg
Retelling of the same battle
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-01-09.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-01-10.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-01-11.jpg
So I wouldn't say Darkseid NEVER beaten Izaya as easily as Ares did in genesis
Originally posted by -K-M-
Gotta disgaree with that one1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Adventure460_28.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Adventure460_29.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Adventure460_30.jpg
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With Dessad's glove1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_4_005.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_4_006.jpgRetelling of the same battle
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-01-09.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-01-10.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-01-11.jpgSo I wouldn't say Darkseid NEVER beaten Izaya as easily as Ares did in genesis
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Originally posted by -K-M-Ds beat him, but Ares killed him in one strike. Killing him with one successful sword strke is much more impressive than knocking him senseless in a few blows.
Gotta disgaree with that one1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Adventure460_28.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Adventure460_29.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Adventure460_30.jpg
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With Dessad's glove1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_4_005.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_4_006.jpgRetelling of the same battle
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-01-09.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-01-10.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-01-11.jpgSo I wouldn't say Darkseid NEVER beaten Izaya as easily as Ares did in genesis
Desaad's glove was a cheapshot with his back turned. If you really want to talk about cheashots that is the very definition.
Again, Ares had two strikes and the first one he landed killed him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds beat him, but Ares killed him in one strike. Killing him with one successful sword strke is much more impressive than knocking him senseless in a few blows.Desaad's glove was a cheapshot with his back turned. If you really want to talk about cheashots that is the very definition.
Again, Ares had two strikes and the first one he landed killed him.
Because he was in a place that could kill him 😬 and did DS have a weapon then? No.
You mean how Ares got Highfather off-guard and used prep to take Highfather out? Funny you accept one tactic but dismiss another.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds beat him, but Ares killed him in one strike. Killing him with one successful sword strke is much more impressive than knocking him senseless in a few blows.Desaad's glove was a cheapshot with his back turned. If you really want to talk about cheashots that is the very definition.
Again, Ares had two strikes and the first one he landed killed him.
Izaya was killable within the Source. Also, as KM and others have mentioned Ares had harnessed his power for millenia just so that he could succeed in that moment. Basically he'd prepped for the situation whereas Izaya hadn't.
Not to mention, he used Highfather's power to get to that position in the first place.
Originally posted by -K-M-Ds was killed on earth. Are you saying that ne wgods can't be killed in certain places.
Because he was in a place that could kill him 😬 and did DS have a weapon then? No.You mean how Ares got Highfather off-guard and used prep to take Highfather out? Funny you accept one tactic but dismiss another.
High Father was ready for him and he wasn't up to the task. Ares used prep to get him alone an din that situation, but his skill won him the fight.
Ds attacked Iazay from beyond when grief overtook and its hilarious that you would even put that up singing his praises.
Originally posted by AllanklesHe prepped to get himself in that particular situation and channeled his own energies for this moment. He wasn't amped or anything. One strike is all he needed.
Izaya was killable within the Source. Also, as KM and others have mentioned Ares had harnessed his power for millenia just so that he could succeed in that moment. Basically he'd prepped for the situation whereas Izaya hadn't.Not to mention, he used Highfather's power to get to that position in the first place.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds was killed on earth. Are you saying that ne wgods can't be killed in certain places.High Father was ready for him and he wasn't up to the task. Ares used prep to get him alone an din that situation, but his skill won him the fight.
Ds attacked Iazay from beyond when grief overtook and its hilarious that you would even put that up singing his praises.
If your talking about FC there were MANY factors outside of just being on Earth that killed DS and it took extensive amount of prep from all others to do it. New Gods can be killed, but as shown in FC you need quite abit of plot devices to do it.
Because he was infact basically depowered 😬
I was singing his praises? funny all I did was correct your inaccurate statement about how DS has never beaten Highfather as easily as Ares did as shown. Was what DS did a cheap shot? Of course, it's the exact same situation Ares did. 😬
Originally posted by -K-M-I am talking about countdown. Fc I am sure will be ignored in the future.
If your talking about FC there were MANY factors outside of just being on Earth that killed DS and it took extensive amount of prep from all others to do it. New Gods can be killed, but as shown in FC you need quite abit of plot devices to do it.Because he was infact basically depowered 😬
I was singing his praises? funny all I did was correct your inaccurate statement about how DS has never beaten Highfather as easily as Ares did as shown. Was what DS did a cheap shot? Of course, it's the exact same situation Ares did. 😬
He wasn't depowered. He also had the chance to defend himself and he did a piss poor job of it.
Ds took him out with a cheapshot with his back turned. Ds showed he will take out an opponent with his back turned. No honor in that.
Ares announced his intentions and they had it out. He didn't wait till Izaya turned his back to attack. Completely different.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He prepped to get himself in that particular situation and channeled his own energies for this moment. He wasn't amped or anything. One strike is all he needed.
He prepped for Highfather to send him into the source? That part was entirely upto Highfather's consent.
And yes, harnessing your powers for millenia qualifies as one-sided prep.
Originally posted by AllanklesHe channeled his own energies for this which was still down under his own abilities. He duped Izaya into going along with him. He also duped Darkseid at the same time into thinking that Ds would actually merge himself with the godwave. Defeating Izaya had to do with actual combat. His prep got him in the situation he needed to pull this off.
He prepped for Highfather to send him into the source? That part was entirely upto Highfather's consent.And yes, harnessing your powers for millenia qualifies as one-sided prep.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He channeled his own energies for this which was still down under his own abilities. He duped Izaya into going along with him. He also duped Darkseid at the same time into thinking that Ds would actually merge himself with the godwave. Defeating Izaya had to do with actual combat. His prep got him in the situation he needed to pull this off.
It is Izaya's exotic abilities that allowed him to get to the Source, so mentioning that he used Izaya's power to get there is not inaccurate.
He mentions the power he harnessed for millenia in the battle. Whereas Izaya spent his time and energy scheming and plotting against DS, Ares was scheming for the godwave's final contraction.
The battle was inevitable to Ares, and he prepped to battle Highfather.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am talking about countdown. Fc I am sure will be ignored in the future.He wasn't depowered. He also had the chance to defend himself and he did a piss poor job of it.
Ds took him out with [B]a cheapshot with his back turned.
Ds showed he will take out an opponent with his back turned. No honor in that.Ares announced his intentions and they had it out. He didn't wait till Izaya turned his back to attack. Completely different. [/B]
He never wanted Steppenwolf to die as thats the reason why Darkseid stopped Izaya, they was both are part of his plan. Who are you talking about wasn't depowered??
Originally posted by -K-M-Both will probably be ignored, but my point is Ds will return to his classic power levels that were portrayed in countdown as opposed to the colossal failure known as the final crisis.
It was already said DS didn't die in Countdown, Orion merely gravely hurt him. Did you actually say Countdown would have more staying power then Final Crisis? which has already begun to be retconned.*sigh* The rest of your post is pretty hypocritical
It was entirely accurate.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Both will probably be ignored, but my point is Ds will return to his classic power levels that were portrayed in countdown as opposed to the colossal failure known as the final crisis.It was entirely accurate.
At classic levels he's depowering skyfathers and taking over pantheons.
Originally posted by AllanklesYes, he used Izaya's unique connection with the Spurce to get to where he needed to go.
It is Izaya's exotic abilities that allowed him to get to the Source, so mentioning that he used Izaya's power to get there is not inaccurate.He mentions the power he harnessed for millenia in the battle. Whereas Izaya spent his time and energy scheming and plotting against DS, Ares was scheming for the godwave's final contraction.
The battle was inevitable to Ares, and he prepped to battle Highfather.
When does he say a millenia? Where in that scan?
Ares was prepared for this battle while Izaya was not. It cost him his life. Ares used his own power to kill him. Izaya could have at least made it interesting, but he went out quickly and without much effort on Ares' part.
Originally posted by AllanklesOff- panel. At classic levels he can't even counter DD. He submitted to Superman which was a humiliating defeat even Ds admitted as much, he got his heart ripped out by Orion, he was easily shown up by Raker, etc.
At classic levels he's depowering skyfathers and taking over pantheons.
