Originally posted by kevdudeThe point is Ds defeated Izaya easily with those gloves due to Desaad' inegnius and because his back was turned.
He never wanted Steppenwolf to die as thats the reason why Darkseid stopped Izaya, they was both are part of his plan. Who are you talking about wasn't depowered??
Izaya.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Off- panel. At classic levels he can't even counter DD. He submitted to Superman which was a humiliating defeat even Ds admitted as much, he got his heart ripped out by Orion, he was easily shown up by Raker, etc.
😬 Haven't changed your tune I see. DS schooled Raker, if I remember he took his ring and Raker ended up working for him on Apokolips, after he sent the Guardians packing in that disastrous war for the GLC.
An amped Orion wounded him, big deal.
The rest; I don't want to bother.
EDIT: Point is at classic levels he was depowering skyfathers, accumulating power by taking over pantheons, and threatening to retcon the multiverse.
Originally posted by AllanklesDs schooled Raker earlier in the story. At the end of the story Raker embarrassed him.
😬 Haven't changed your tune I see. DS schooled Raker, if I remember he took his ring and Raker ended up working for him on Apokolips, after he sent the Guardians packing in that disastrous war for the GLC.An amped Orion wounded him, big deal.
The rest; I don't want to bother.
EDIT: Point is at classic levels he was depowering skyfathers, accumulating power by taking over pantheons, and threatening to retcon the multiverse.
How was Orion amped when he tapped into Ds's amp? Ds had no amp at the time so neither did Orion.
No, he wasn't. When did he ever depower a skyfather on panel?
You exaggerate him like always and try to misconstrue events.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds schooled Raker earlier in the story. At the end of the story Raker embarrassed him.
You don't seem to know what I'm talking about. Raker ended up working on Apokolips for DS. That was the end of his story.
And Raker tackled him and then raised a weapon to his face. We've already had this discussion with you. How does getting tackled and having a weapon raised to your face qualify as embarrassing?
Originally posted by quanchi112
How was Orion amped when he tapped into Ds's amp? Ds had no amp at the time so neither did Orion.
Orion was the agent of the Source, his amp allowed him to be on DS level i.e. they were evenly matched.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he wasn't. When did he ever depower a skyfather on panel?
Time Trapper, Mordu - classic DS.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You exaggerate him like always and try to misconstrue events.
Nope.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How was Orion amped when he tapped into Ds's amp? Ds had no amp at the time so neither did Orion.
Pretty sure he was amped in Countdown as when has Orion ever demonstrated the power to easily swat away the JLA with a wave of his hand using some kind of wind technique?
Originally posted by Allankles
You don't seem to know what I'm talking about. Raker ended up working on Apokolips for DS. That was the end of his story.And Raker tackled him and then raised a weapon to his face. We've already had this discussion with you. How does getting tackled and having a weapon raised to your face qualify as embarrassing?
Orion was the agent of the Source, his amp allowed him to be on DS level i.e. they were evenly matched.
Time Trapper, Mordu - classic DS.
Nope.
so all i'm commenting on is "how does getting tackled and having a weapon raised to your face qualify as embarrassing?" well if some one tackled you and raised a weapon to your face how could that not be embarrassing especially for DS who at classic levels should have not allowed that at all. very low showing for ds in my opinion. and very embarrassing for ds who didn't even like superman putting his hand on his shoulder.
question how does this pertain to ds and areas fighting a gl's powers are vastly different.
by the way "KC" the scans of ds "beating" darksied are a joke I could beat anyone if there back was turned and i had a weapon it's different if they are facing me and have a weapon too.
good scan kc about darkseid and highfather fighting one on one. but what did it looked like highfather was weakened by and badly disorientated by losing his staff. So not quite the same as the ares and highfather fight.
not sure who would win does anybody know if ares has ever fought zeus since he and highfather are in the same club we could see them on the same level. maybe they are peers at the very least
Originally posted by jasofisc
by the way "KC" the scans of ds "beating" darksied are a joke I could beat anyone if there back was turned and i had a weapon it's different if they are facing me and have a weapon too.good scan kc about darkseid and highfather fighting one on one. but what did it looked like highfather was weakened by and badly disorientated by losing his staff. So not quite the same as the ares and highfather fight.
and I see you missed the point of why I posted the scans, and of course it was not a good feat for DS it was a cheap shot as mentioned and explained earlier
and is similar to what happened to him when he fought Ares in the Source. Hence the scans.
Originally posted by -K-M-
and I see you missed the point of why I posted the scans, and of course it was not a good feat for DS it was a cheap shot as mentioned and explained earlierand is similar to what happened to him when he fought Ares in the Source. Hence the scans.
still not seeing how ares fighting highfather in the source while warning him (he only said HF could be killed not that he lost power) is the same as DS using a weapon on HF while is back was turned. if you are just saying that ares had time to prepare for his fight with hf and so did ds i would agree but they are no ware near the same in the chance HF had.
Originally posted by AllanklesDs' sarmor was shreeded, he cut off access to his omega beams, he had Ds on his back and at his mercy. Proves a gl can take on Ds and beat him imo.
You don't seem to know what I'm talking about. Raker ended up working on Apokolips for DS. That was the end of his story.And Raker tackled him and then raised a weapon to his face. We've already had this discussion with you. How does getting tackled and having a weapon raised to your face qualify as embarrassing?
Orion was the agent of the Source, his amp allowed him to be on DS level i.e. they were evenly matched.
Time Trapper, Mordu - classic DS.
Nope.
Raker ended up working for him because the guardians left him there. One on one and in battle without Ds's mighty armor and the yellow weakness Ds was getting has ass handed to him.
Yes, in dotng. In countdown neither was amped at the time they fought.
Gds isn't canon for current Ds. It's in the rules, brah.
Originally posted by -K-M-How was orion amped in countdown? he called them off so he could take them on.
Pretty sure he was amped in Countdown as when has Orion ever demonstrated the power to easily swat away the JLA with a wave of his hand using some kind of wind technique?
It was explained in dotng that the only way Orion was amped was if Ds was at the time so he could tap into the same power source. If Ds couldn't tap into it then neither could Orion. His access to the power source was cut off right before Orion boomtubed there.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How was orion amped in countdown? he called them off so he could take them on.
Check it again, he used that wind attack then told them to stop. Orion has never demonstrated any external force attacks, but it was potent enough to swat away the JLA
1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p11.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p12.jpg
Originally posted by quanchi112
Exactly. He used his own powers to defeat Izaya and his prep allowed him access to that given situation to merge with the godwave.
One sided prep is an unfair advantage, how is that hard to grasp 😬
Originally posted by -K-M-Why do you even try its beyond pointless.
Check it again, he used that wind attack then told them to stop. Orion has never demonstrated any external force attacks, but it was potent enough to swat away the JLA1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p11.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p12.jpgOne sideded prep is an unfair advantage, how is that hard to grasp 😬
Originally posted by -K-M-How is that supposed to prove he was amped? A gust of wind proves he was tapping into what again?
Check it again, he used that wind attack then told them to stop. Orion has never demonstrated any external force attacks, but it was potent enough to swat away the JLA1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p11.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p12.jpgOne sideded prep is an unfair advantage, how is that hard to grasp 😬
Ares used the onesided prep to get in that situation. He didn't amp himself beyond his own normal power levels. Ares easily killed Izaya. Accept it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How is that supposed to prove he was amped? A gust of wind proves he was tapping into what again?Ares used the onesided prep to get in that situation. He didn't amp himself beyond his own normal power levels. Ares easily killed Izaya. Accept it.
Ooooooh so Orion has done something like this before? So Orion without his harness has demonstrated well any form of attack other then physical in that range? You seriously are going to tell me that is a norm ability for him? 😬
and used the environment ie. the Source which weakened Highfather and made it able for him to die 😬
Originally posted by -K-M-
Ooooooh so Orion has done something like this before? So Orion without his harness has demonstrated well any form of attack other then physical in that range? You seriously are going to tell me that is a norm ability for him? 😬and used the environment ie. the Source which weakened Highfather and made it able for him to die 😬
Orion has taken on Darkseid physically before. Simonson's series and another run, Pollak?
As for the battle, Darkseid wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds' sarmor was shreeded, he cut off access to his omega beams, he had Ds on his back and at his mercy. Proves a gl can take on Ds and beat him imo.Raker ended up working for him because the guardians left him there. One on one and in battle without Ds's mighty armor and the yellow weakness Ds was getting has ass handed to him.
The armor getting torn up occurred in a matter of moments, all within the time Raker tackled him , it's not like they were torn in the course of a battle, the armor opened up when Raker tackled him.
The rings don't have the power to block of the Omegas, it would have been foolish to shoot the omegas against a force field that close to his face, you know?.. energetic backlash (given how the Omegas disintegrate matter).
Lastly, DS was hardly concerned by Raker's efforts, unless you think otherwise? Getting tackled is hardly embarrassing, nor is getting a force field bubble surrounding your eyes.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Gds isn't canon for current Ds.
I was talking about classic DS.😬 And GDS was weaker than his younger self anyway.
