Originally posted by jasofisc
FC was a joke in so many ways. And if your using FC darksied it's a little unfair concidering he had the ALE, and other huge charges to his powers and ablities. all ares has to do if it's FC darksied is give him a beating while one of his followers (the kind that he makes so as to not be addtional help) finds that bullet.
You didn't understand it very well did you? 😉
btw DS
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Missed the point. 🙄
I under stood the point that Darkseid dying was crushing the dc universe in his death throws. But serously don't you with the "ANIT-LIFE" EQUATION had something to do with that. didn't ds also die in DOTNG when his heart was ripped out by orion at least phiscally anyway that didn't destroy a universe then. So where left with two options for for what happened one is the because DS had the full ALE and was dying the ALE added to the crushing of DCU or was the cause of it, the second is that it was like LOTR and the spirit of DS is more powerful then the physical shell he wears.
Originally posted by jasofisc
I under stood the point that Darkseid dying was crushing the dc universe in his death throws. But serously don't you with the "ANIT-LIFE" EQUATION had something to do with that. didn't ds also die in DOTNG when his heart was ripped out by orion at least phiscally anyway that didn't destroy a universe then. So where left with two options for for what happened one is the because DS had the full ALE and was dying the ALE added to the crushing of DCU or was the cause of it, the second is that it was like LOTR and the spirit of DS is more powerful then the physical shell he wears.
We've proven that the ALE was not responsible for the multiverse crushing, only Darkseid's enslaving of everyone's souls and wills.
The black hole at the center of our galaxy was Darkseid's heart. A BLACK HOLE WHERE HIS HEART WAS. A MASSIVE DOOMSDAY SINGULARITY WHERE HIS HEART USED TO BE.
DOTNG isn't exactly canon anymore. The entire premise of that story has been retconned into a apocryphal account of the new god's end. IE: It's not exactly what happened.
LOTR? Not true. Sauron wasn't a vast cosmic entity crashing into Middle Earth and dragging it down while critically wounded. The New Gods are not just physical entities, they are abstract concepts.
Darkseid is the god of evil and corruption, and ignoring the ALE for a second, Anti-Life. He embodies the concept of the ALE more than any other character in DC. The full scale of Darkseid's form and spirit was too much for the DCU to sustain.
Thus, a hell where everything is DARKSEID. DS attempted to claim the mantle of the Presence itself by enslaving everyone's free will and thus surplanting him as the new god and master of everything.
Because Free Will is the key. That's the gift of the presence. and without that, there is no life. And if everyone's will is taken by anti-life, then their belief and souls being enslaved by Darkseid's will would make him GOD.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestNope. He had the ale the entire time and did nothing under his own power to cement a new power ranking for himself.
Final Crisis. Which if you had any brains, proves what the new gods fans said all along.The new gods had never been seen at their true scale and power in the regular DCU. Only in the context of the 4th world or via boomtubed forms.
The vast entity we saw in Final Crisis was merely the true manifestation of Darkseid and his power in the regular DCU. A fallen devil god crushed the entire DCU as he fell. A dying god. The act of a dying and critically wounded Darkseid.
Nuff said.
Originally posted by AllanklesIYO. Most mock fc to no end. I thought it was boring and lacked any kind of worthwhile ending. It will be buried in the dcu.
FC was one of the more thoughtful big events in recent years.It had mythical proportions, more than I can say for events like Infinite Crisis, Secret Invasion et al.
Revelations, Beyond even the first 5 issues of the main FC were excellent in their build up, and showed a sense of vulnerability for the heroes that we'd never seen in a canon big event story.
Anti climatic at the end? Sure (always the case when deus ex machinas are used), but the heroes were hit hard in all areas.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
We've proven that the ALE was not responsible for the multiverse crushing, only Darkseid's enslaving of everyone's souls and wills.The black hole at the center of our galaxy was Darkseid's heart. A BLACK HOLE WHERE HIS HEART WAS. A MASSIVE DOOMSDAY SINGULARITY WHERE HIS HEART USED TO BE.
DOTNG isn't exactly canon anymore. The entire premise of that story has been retconned into a apocryphal account of the new god's end. IE: It's not exactly what happened.
LOTR? Not true. Sauron wasn't a vast cosmic entity crashing into Middle Earth and dragging it down while critically wounded. The New Gods are not just physical entities, they are abstract concepts.
Darkseid is the god of evil and corruption, and ignoring the ALE for a second, Anti-Life. He embodies the concept of the ALE more than any other character in DC. The full scale of Darkseid's form and spirit was too much for the DCU to sustain.
Thus, a hell where everything is DARKSEID. DS attempted to claim the mantle of the Presence itself by enslaving everyone's free will and thus surplanting him as the new god and master of everything.
Because Free Will is the key. That's the gift of the presence. and without that, there is no life. And if everyone's will is taken by anti-life, then their belief and souls being enslaved by Darkseid's will would make him GOD.
the point of bringing up the LOTR part was that the soul of Sauron did damage when it went down.
why isn't DOTNG cannon anymore show me the recon because from what i can tell FC happened after DOTNG and FC just contradicted DOTNG because grant can't write, or read. Also fc was a huge let down in what way was it the day evil won? like all the promotions said.
Originally posted by jasofisc
the point of bringing up the LOTR part was that the soul of Sauron did damage when it went down.why isn't DOTNG cannon anymore show me the recon because from what i can tell FC happened after DOTNG and FC just contradicted DOTNG because grant can't write, or read. Also fc was a huge let down in what way was it the day evil won? like all the promotions said.
In FC 6 and FC Secret Files points out that some stuff in DTNG isn't correct. He won against New Genesis in the Fourth World, he then won against Earth (near death) and was only stopped when the Flash (Barry) returned which nobody expected.
Originally posted by jasofisc😂 At the Grant Morrison comment.
the point of bringing up the LOTR part was that the soul of Sauron did damage when it went down.why isn't DOTNG cannon anymore show me the recon because from what i can tell FC happened after DOTNG and FC just contradicted DOTNG because grant can't write, or read. Also fc was a huge let down in what way was it the day evil won? like all the promotions said.
Originally posted by jasofisc
the point of bringing up the LOTR part was that the soul of Sauron did damage when it went down.why isn't DOTNG cannon anymore show me the recon because from what i can tell FC happened after DOTNG and FC just contradicted DOTNG because grant can't write, or read. Also fc was a huge let down in what way was it the day evil won? like all the promotions said.
Please Don't Cry.
serouly though fc was the let down of the decade. a final crisis that wasn't final. from what the promotions were saying about it it sounded like all the mean characters were going to die and pave the way for all new ones. In the end not much happened because superman wished on mr. mircile or something. doesn't get worse then that.
Originally posted by jasofisc
the point of bringing up the LOTR part was that the soul of Sauron did damage when it went down.why isn't DOTNG cannon anymore show me the recon because from what i can tell FC happened after DOTNG and FC just contradicted DOTNG because grant can't write, or read. Also fc was a huge let down in what way was it the day evil won? like all the promotions said.
Evil won when Darkseid ruined the Earth and turned hero against hero and family against family. Evil won when Anti-life forced the heroes into retreat from a battle they could not hope to succeed in.
But I've said FC 6 AND 7 had deus ex machinas i.e. anti-climatic finish to what was a well thought out event.
Most events turn out to be one glorified brawl after another even the Sinestro War (as if we don't get those brawls in the bread and butter titles).
FC was an actual crisis, the heroes pegged back with no hope, the main Earth actually destroyed, space time in the universe folding and being dragged into Darkseid's hell to be murdered by Anti-life.
Originally posted by AllanklesBoth of the other crises were much bigger. One limited the dcu and one expanded the dcu again. This one well....it almost killed Batman. 😂
Evil won when Darkseid ruined the Earth and turned hero against hero and family against family. Evil won when Anti-life forced the heroes into retreat from a battle they could not hope to succeed in.But I've said FC 6 AND 7 had deus ex machinas i.e. anti-climatic finish to what was a well thought out event.
Most events turn out to be one glorified brawl after another even the Sinestro War (as if we don't get those brawls in the bread and butter titles).
FC was an actual crisis, the heroes pegged back with no hope, the main Earth actually destroyed, space time in the universe folding and being dragged into Darkseid's hell to be murdered by Anti-life.