Darkseid vs Ares (dc)

Originally posted by -K-M-
and where was this? as Darkseid has dominated Orion physically before

It clearly wasn't just a gust of wind, and was an ability he has NEVER demonstrated before. Then again all you said Orion did was tell them to go away.

If you can kill a god who as noted needed to be in this special location to do it you don't think that's a form of weakening? Seriously 😬

Some of these comments on this board are just silly 😬

Originally posted by cloud102
I'm going off of what Walt Simonson said (time and time again) on the New Gods Message Board (you know, the writer himself) that Orion did indeed get the upper hand on Darkseid and would have WON the fight.

All the best, cloud102.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I piosted a scan proving that Orion coul donly tap into the might Ds was stealing. Ds wasn't tapping into it at the time so neither was Orion. Pretty easy to understand. Oh and if you still believe he was tapping into the source so was Darkseid making it an even fight. Exactly.

That's nice, but the sheer fact DS and Orion were creating energy fields merely just colliding and Orion was contionously emitting energy from his body in Countdown tends to show that someone was different. Or do you seriously believe that was normal Orion doing all those energy attacks? We know COuntdown, Crisis and Death of New Gods don't match up (Dan even apologized publicly for this), but we did see in Countdown Orion was doing things has has NEVER demonstrated to be able to.

Originally posted by cloud102
I'm going off of what Walt Simonson said (time and time again) on the New Gods Message Board (you know, the writer himself) that Orion did indeed get the upper hand on Darkseid and would have WON the fight.

All the best, cloud102.

and where's this post then? So basically it was a comment by a writer outside of a comic? Thought we didn't take interviews comments as canon?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He explained in the scan he couldn't hit him with it. Why else would he erect the shield over his face?

Yes, he damaged him and pretty much wrecked his armor in one move. That's how effective Raker was and lucky for Darkseid the Guardians intervened.

The shovel would have damaged him imo. If one tackle can destroy his armor and leave his face cracked that shovel was going to mess his face up even more.

His face is always cracked, his flesh is made of a gravel like substance. And pray tell, how was a shovel going to affect? That came off more like Raker getting frustrated by the situation.

The armor was wrecked, DS wasn't.

Uuuuuuh...I'm done with this thread, some of the comments made here simply astound me.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Uuuuuuh...I'm done with this thread, some of the comments made here simply astound me.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
so? all this just shows that raker, who ever he is, did beat the crap out of ds and had him at spears point. he didnt loose coz ds beat him, he lost coz of the guardians intervention or something like that.

and as for ds vs ares... dont know crap about them both so meh...

.............Since no one is smart enough to connect the dots, I'll spell it out.

If Raker actually had a chance at killing DS, or had him at his mercy, why did the Guardians sue for peace and leave Raker on Apokolips? 😕

Originally posted by -K-M-
That's nice, but the sheer fact DS and Orion were creating energy fields merely just colliding and Orion was contionously emitting energy from his body in Countdown tends to show that someone was different. Or do you seriously believe that was normal Orion doing all those energy attacks? We know COuntdown, Crisis and Death of New Gods don't match up (Dan even apologized publicly for this), but we did see in Countdown Orion was doing things has has NEVER demonstrated to be able to.

and where's this post then? So basically it was a comment by a writer outside of a comic? Thought we didn't take interviews comments as canon?

Darkseid lost his connection to the powerup right before Orion boomtubed there. If you read death of the new gods then you should be aware of this.

Originally posted by Allankles
His face is always cracked, his flesh is made of a gravel like substance. And pray tell, how was a shovel going to affect? That came off more like Raker getting frustrated by the situation.

The armor was wrecked, DS wasn't.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
.............Since no one is smart enough to connect the dots, I'll spell it out.

If Raker actually had a chance at killing DS, or had him at his mercy, why did the Guardians sue for peace and leave Raker on Apokolips? 😕

They made a truce because they LOST. Raker's attack was basically a suicide run. If Raker was such a threat, why did DS let him live. Why did Darkseid crush Raker's hand and ring in an earlier encounter, if Raker had him at his mercy? 🙄

And stop using DOTNG. That shit isn't canon in the strictest sense, and you're not smart enough to understand why.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
They made a truce because they LOST. Raker's attack was basically a suicide run. If Raker was such a threat, why did DS let him live. Why did Darkseid crush Raker's hand and ring in an earlier encounter, if Raker had him at his mercy? 🙄

And stop using DOTNG. That shit isn't canon in the strictest sense, and you're not smart enough to understand why.

Raker didn't know who Ds was and really anything about him, but consider him a quick learner because round 2 belonged to him.

Enlighten me trick.

DS will own Ares, DS would have back plans on back up plans by 100X too deal with Ares, this the same DS that devolved PC Validus with a galance, and PC Validus was consider sky father level being.

I'd call a stalemate.

In a fight neither would make it out alive.

Darkseid took down Ares's entire pantheon. Hell, the Olympians and Asgardians were scared of Darkseid turning his attentions towards them.

And need I remind you that Captain Marvel and Black Adam's gods are KIA. And all information points to the olympian pantheon being KIA too. They may have been revived, but the fact remains that they probably fell.

Originally posted by the Darkone
and PC Validus was consider sky father level being.

^ Anybody that buys into classic Savage Hulk hype/hyperbole, as long as it's not a Marvel character. 😐

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
.............Since no one is smart enough to connect the dots, I'll spell it out.

If Raker actually had a chance at killing DS, or had him at his mercy, why did the Guardians sue for peace and leave Raker on Apokolips? 😕

dunno..diplomacy? if raker killed ds, the war would still go on and there would be no peace. but with a truce, there would be some sort of peace.

but then again, dont really know crap, i'll probably try and get a hold of the whole story if and when i feel like it. 😛

Originally posted by -K-M-
and where was this? as Darkseid has dominated Orion physically before

It clearly wasn't just a gust of wind, and was an ability he has NEVER demonstrated before. Then again all you said Orion did was tell them to go away.

If you can kill a god who as noted needed to be in this special location to do it you don't think that's a form of weakening? Seriously 😬

Some of these comments on this board are just silly 😬

no reading your own thoughts into the story. Hightfather nor ares stated in the book that highfather was weakened only that in that place he could die. Your logic is getting ridicules. I guess its a form of weakening his immortality if that's what you mean. but your trying to imply that highfather had less power. This is not supported by the book.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
.............Since no one is smart enough to connect the dots, I'll spell it out.

If Raker actually had a chance at killing DS, or had him at his mercy, why did the Guardians sue for peace and leave Raker on Apokolips? 😕

they stated right in there that ds was best person to rule apokolips. much like after hal killed ds as the specter the presence didn't let him die. I don't understand it but that's what the comics say and there the cannon.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I'd call a stalemate.

In a fight neither would make it out alive.

finally a comment about the actually fight. and not about assumptions and crap that doesn't even figure into a fight between these two.

Originally posted by jasofisc
no reading your own thoughts into the story. Hightfather nor ares stated in the book that highfather was weakened only that in that place he could die. Your logic is getting ridicules. I guess its a form of weakening his immortality if that's what you mean. but your trying to imply that highfather had less power. This is not supported by the book.

Against my better judgement...one more reply

Once again...what? So if an attack can kill you which it previously wouldn't that's not a form of weakening? Good god, but then again you said one-sided prep wasn't an unfair advantage. Read Thor #11 exact same situation occured with some other gods and a mortally wounding attack.