ssj4 Goku vs. Kenshiro

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
it's useless.

Kenshiro can search his pressure point just like what he did with Souther. and if u count Raoh-den ten no haoh, Raoh can press the pressure point of a horse. Kenshiro must be able to do the same since they are HSK user.

This assumes the Goku's body, which is many many times more durable than a diamond, can be effected in anyway by the effects of pressure point manipulation and the other types of nervous system affects Kenshiro has.

It has never proven to be useful on any DB character. Also, Goku's SSJ4 form is proven clearly to surpass even the magic of the mighty Shenron. Is Kenshiro>planet sized restoring magic? Can he even affect something on a planet scale? No? Well, why does this thread even exist?

Originally posted by dadudemon
This assumes the Goku's body, which is many many times more durable than a diamond, can be effected in anyway by the effects of pressure point manipulation and the other types of nervous system affects Kenshiro has.

It has never proven to be useful on any DB character. Also, Goku's SSJ4 form is proven clearly to surpass even the magic of the mighty Shenron. Is Kenshiro>planet sized restoring magic? Can he even affect something on a planet scale? No? Well, why does this thread even exist?

1. In which it most likely can. HSK kills people from the inside and since it's pressure points that he's hitting, brute force doesn't necessarily have to be applied (this does NOT mean Kenshiro never uses strength when does it, as he does at times).

2. There are no DB character that have ever used pressure points in the first place so that doesn't mean anything. Also, Omega Shenron's feats doesn't apply to SSJ4 Goku's, as he doesn't use magic.

The whole thing is, since Pressure Points were never used in the Dragonball universe, and especially since they weren't used specifically on SSJ4, unless Akira Toriyama does a press conference and states, pressure point attacks work on all of my characters, even SSJ4 Goku and up, then saying he's affected by them is not a valid argument, since there is no proof. You'd have to go by Ken's strength and speed to help him in this fight. And going by that, Goku wins, he's stronger, faster, and you can believe that his energy attacks(force+heat) will work on Ken.

Roshi used pressure points on the Man-Wolf...

So simply because Toriyama haven't said such a thing, we just assume that they won't effect Goku? That's a really flawed argument as we can use that for a lot of things.

Saying that nobody in the DB universe have pressure points is almost like saying they have not heart or no ribs or no insides at all or something. All the humans obviously have pressure points and Goku's body is similar to that of a human so he obviously have pressure points too.

I'm not saying every single character have pressure points but the humans and human-like people obviously does.

You didn't get what I meant. SInce no one made an attack on SSJ4 that effected pressure points, saying he can be affect by Pressure point attacks is speculation at best. I didn't say no one could be effected, I was just making an example. And while Saiyans are extremely similar to humans, they are obviously naturally tougher, stronger, etc... And they may have different organs or body chemistry that make a big difference. Also, SSJ4 is at least percentage Oozaru, considering he has red fur everywhere except his abdomen , hands, and probably his feet. Plus a really long tail.

Originally posted by KingD19
You didn't get what I meant. SInce no one made an attack on SSJ4 that effected pressure points, saying he can be affect by Pressure point attacks is speculation at best. I didn't say no one could be effected, I was just making an example. And while Saiyans are extremely similar to humans, they are obviously naturally tougher, stronger, etc... And they may have different organs or body chemistry that make a big difference. Also, SSJ4 is at least percentage Oozaru, considering he has red fur everywhere except his abdomen , hands, and probably his feet. Plus a really long tail.

If pressure points worked, then you'd see them used as they would be very effective.

Since they weren't used at the World's martial art tournies, we have to assume that once you reach a certain strength, it's useless to use pressure points.

Since Goky and company can tank blasts that are much more powerful than a nuke, and Goku himself, in SSJ4 form absorbed the Death Ball attack that was more than powerful enough to destroy the earth many times over, why would something minscule and insignificant like a pressure point user even come remotely close to affecting any of the characters?

You do know that Goku has been hit so hard that he smashed through several mountains. The G-Forces of that alone would be in the thousands to millions. That'd create great havoc to a person whose organs were the same on the inside. Since it's retarded to assume the "internal organs" can be considered anything but insanely durable, why would pressure point techniques work on Goku again?

As someone else pointed out, the SSj4 form is his grumpiest form. He doesn't play around.

This is what happens. They start .5 KM apart, .000002 seconds later, Kenshiro has a hole punched through his head. The end. 😐

I'm the one who said SSJ4 was grumpy. You wanted to say that to SmashBro, these were things I knew and understood already.

Originally posted by KingD19
I'm the one who said SSJ4 was grumpy. You wanted to say that to SmashBro, these were things I knew and understood already.

You're right. I quoted the wrong bloke. 😄

You're right, obviously, about your points. 👆

Yaay.^_^

Originally posted by KingD19
You didn't get what I meant. SInce no one made an attack on SSJ4 that effected pressure points, saying he can be affect by Pressure point attacks is speculation at best. I didn't say no one could be effected, I was just making an example. And while Saiyans are extremely similar to humans, they are obviously naturally tougher, stronger, etc... And they may have different organs or body chemistry that make a big difference. Also, SSJ4 is at least percentage Oozaru, considering he has red fur everywhere except his abdomen , hands, and probably his feet. Plus a really long tail.

Then why mentioned Toriyama?

Again, I don't recall anyone in the DB using pressure points to beat their opponent because none of them trained in that kind of style. If they have the type of body parts a normal human does, then they have pressure points. And seeing that Goku has a heart that happens to be in same area normal humans have, then it should work.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If pressure points worked, then you'd see them used as they would be very effective.

Since they weren't used at the World's martial art tournies, we have to assume that once you reach a certain strength, it's useless to use pressure points.

Since Goky and company can tank blasts that are much more powerful than a nuke, and Goku himself, in SSJ4 form absorbed the Death Ball attack that was more than powerful enough to destroy the earth many times over, why would something minscule and insignificant like a pressure point user even come remotely close to affecting any of the characters?

You do know that Goku has been hit so hard that he smashed through several mountains. The G-Forces of that alone would be in the thousands to millions. That'd create great havoc to a person whose organs were the same on the inside. Since it's retarded to assume the "internal organs" can be considered anything but insanely durable, why would pressure point techniques work on Goku again?

As someone else pointed out, the SSj4 form is his grumpiest form. He doesn't play around.

This is what happens. They start .5 KM apart, .000002 seconds later, Kenshiro has a hole punched through his head. The end. 😐

1. Just because they are effective, doesn't mean a random fighter would try to use it. Heck, not everybody even in the HNK world use it (most noticeably the Nanto Seiken users).

2. How can we assume that it won't work when nobody even used them? If it actually proved to be useless, then we might can think that but it's not.

3. That's if you're using an outside force and not something that can kill from within your body. If I take a chair and hit you in the face with it and it doesn't hurt you, that doesn't mean your insides are strong. It means your outward, physical body is strong enough to take it.

Originally posted by KingD19
Simply put the three most powerful warriors in the DBZ verse are:
1.SSJ4 Gogeta
2.SSJ4 Goku
3.SSJ4 Vegeta

Ken can't take SSJ4 Goku.

you forgot ssj vegito, although ssj4 gogeta is far more powerful than regular ssj vegito.. but vegito is a better fusion though.

dude ppls.. pressure points don't work, or else, someone would have already poked goku on a pressure point. basically, he has been punched on every inch of his body, and someone would by chance hit a pressure point. He didn't seem to be affected by any pressure points of any sort. unless you can prove that kenshiro can kill gorrillas with pressure points.. like i mean huge skyscraper size gorrillas that are alot wider than houses..

sry for double post but can't edit in less than 15 min.

i mean more than 15 min

Originally posted by kotorfan
[B]dude ppls.. pressure points don't work, or else, someone would have already poked goku on a pressure point.

Horrible argument. No one in DBU has demonstrated that kind of martial art. Even in-universe only Hokuto Shinken users can really understand it, other people who use different styles are completely surprised.

basically, he has been punched on every inch of his body, and someone would by chance hit a pressure point.

That's not the way it works. There is a specific spiritual and precise physical component. Kenshiro's uncle was training to the point where he could put his finger through both sides of a drinking glass without breaking it, that kind of control and precise knowledge is needed. Just hitting someone in the place where the pressure point happens to be won't do a thing unless you know what you are doing.

He didn't seem to be affected by any pressure points of any sort. unless you can prove that kenshiro can kill gorrillas with pressure points.. like i mean huge skyscraper size gorrillas that are alot wider than houses..

He actually has killed beings several stories high

But anyway he loses due to flight + AoE spam

Goku has too, Golden Great Ape Baby, Hirudagarn, etc....

Did I say Goku would lose?

I was just pointing out the fallacious understanding of how pressure points work in HnK