Originally posted by occultdestroyer
So does that necessarily mean The Fulcrum is TOAA??
Or just a nigh-omnipotent being who created the Celestials?Those on-panel scans prove nothing that The Fulcrum is even close to TOAA.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Probably an 'aspect' of TOAA?Like The Word or The Spectre are aspects of The Presence?
Originally posted by Slaaneshbeing equal to a being who created the Celestials is something big u know..Celestial is a very powerful race..the one who created them must be on a totally deferent league..
Originally posted by Mekrob
On another note, you attributed people not knowing about Scathan defeating him due to the fact that people haven't read it in a while, or haven't read it at all... YET here you are making completely asinine assumptions with no proof as to what happened other than Scathan disapproving and Protege in a muzzle... which obviously means that he kicked his ass, and not the less obvious - he put a muzzle on him. You apparently read it, which makes you an expert (I did too, I bet anusly read it, Mindset... didn't, etc). However, this is a case where all you have to look at is the scans.Hell, even Brucey can get it right, and we know he didn't read it. Actually, get Brucey in here and see what he says.
At least this discussion is worth a chuckle.
Let me get this straight before I continue. You believe it was the muzzle that ultimately defeated Protege?
These 2 scans here represent Protege's defeat:
We know it's where he was defeated because the very next time you see him:
He's been subdued. But wait, I don't see the muzzle in the top 2 scans anywhere, do you? You hinted that the muzzle is what defeated Protege because it was the only thing mentioned? In the above scan Yondu states(I'm assuming it's Yondu, but I'm not sure how he would know all this):
"Scathan has encased Protege in an opaque Celestial energy muzzle. He can see nothing of what transpires!".
I assume this is what you're referring when you say the muzzle is the only thing mentioned right? All that statement does is prove my point that the muzzle was only used to blind Protege so he couldn't copy anyones powers again.
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Scathan owned Protege by simply disapproving of his actions,
that seems to be Scathan's power,
his gestured decision is expressed ...
and then you're defeated by which ever means it takes.
I seen opinions about Protege being muzzled
and this being the reason he couldn't do anything,
because he couldn't see/copy more powers.
But really, as if he needed to,
Protege already had the power of the most powerful entity in the Omniverse,
coupled with the power of all that was, is or will be (Eternity)
and then some.
So obviously, not being able to see didn't make Protege powerless,
that's actually a ridiculous notion,
it was Scathan's disapproval that stomped Protege and his power into in-effectiveness.
I mean Protege could've teleported, phased, or re-arranged his atoms to escape,
or he could've simple broken out of the muzzle with uber cosmic strength,
and on and on.
But he didn't, or rather, couldn't.
This is because of Scathan.
And we know Scathan was more powerful than the LT in this future
cause the LT needed to boost his own power in order to finish Protege,
who once again was being handled by Scathan who held him while LT judged him.
Originally posted by Mr Master
👆Scathan owned Protege by simply disapproving of his actions,
that seems to be Scathan's power,
his gestured decision is expressed ...
and then you're defeated by which ever means it takes.I seen opinions about Protege being muzzled
and this being the reason he couldn't do anything,
because he couldn't see/copy more powers.But really, as if he needed to,
Protege already had the power of the most powerful entity in the Omniverse,
coupled with the power of all that was, is or will be (Eternity)
and then some.So obviously, not being able to see didn't make Protege powerless,
that's actually a ridiculous notion,
it was Scathan's disapproval that stomped Protege and his power into in-effectiveness.I mean Protege could've teleported, phased, or re-arranged his atoms to escape,
or he could've simple broken out of the muzzle with uber cosmic strength,
and on and on.But he didn't, or rather, couldn't.
This is because of Scathan.
And we know Scathan was more powerful than the LT in this future
cause the LT needed to boost his own power in order to finish Protege,
who once again was being handled by Scathan who held him while LT judged him.
I tried arguing that Scathan is so bad ass because his particular job for the celestials is approving stuff and no one listened to me 🙁 good luck!
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Fulcrum is not TOAA,
proven when he stated the DC is his equal in power.The Dreaming Celestial (like everything else in the Omniverse)
is nothing but a drawing on a piece of paper to TOAA.
And I believe that in current continuity, The LT is still leagues above this so-called Fulcrum guy.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerAnd? You can kill Doomsday as well, but sometime he will reform. In a versus thread you kill someone once you win.
Spectre said "I AM POWER!".
That power is derived from The Presence himself, and will never go away.
You can kill him, but in the end, he will revive anew and pawn the shit out of you.Anyways, if a Celestial is at least at par with Shazam in The Rock of Eternity, then there is a possibility that it can KO Spectre.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Sure it was. Once he was muzzled, Protege wasn't able to do anything. Whereas before, he was warping the dimension of manifestations and about to overthrow LT. After the muzzle is on, he even gets physically overpowered.
THe muzzled worked because then protege could see to copy powers. However, spectre doesn't need to see anything in order to copy it and use it.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33You don't see the muzzle because nothing happened yet. 😐
Let me get this straight before I continue. You believe it was the muzzle that ultimately defeated Protege?These 2 scans here represent Protege's defeat:
We know it's where he was defeated because the very next time you see him:
He's been subdued. But wait, I don't see the muzzle in the top 2 scans anywhere, do you? You hinted that the muzzle is what defeated Protege because it was the only thing mentioned? In the above scan Yondu states(I'm assuming it's Yondu, but I'm not sure how he would know all this):
[B]"Scathan has encased Protege in an opaque Celestial energy muzzle. He can see nothing of what transpires!"
.I assume this is what you're referring when you say the muzzle is the only thing mentioned right? All that statement does is prove my point that the muzzle was only used to blind Protege so he couldn't copy anyones powers again. [/B]
He would know this because he was there watching. 😐
Ya, again, only thing stated. No attack from Scathan was stated anywhere, no fight was mentioned, nothing was seen, only a muzzle.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33If that's your point, then you should probably think about it a little.
All that statement does is prove my point that the muzzle was only used to blind Protege so he couldn't copy anyones powers again.
If he can't copy powers when he can't see the person, then that's basically saying that the muzzle would have defeated him...
Originally posted by Mekrob👆
You don't see the muzzle because nothing happened yet. 😐
He just disapproved and then prepared to attack.
You also didn't see him attack Protege... what's your point?He would know this because he was there watching. 😐
Ya, again, only thing stated. No attack from Scathan was stated anywhere, no fight was mentioned, nothing was seen, only a muzzle.
If that's your point, then you should probably think about it a little.
If he can't copy powers when he can't see the person, then that's basically saying that the muzzle would have defeated him...
