Originally posted by Mekrob
Because he would still be a pedophile, duh.You weren't talking to anyone. You were directing a sequence of words generated through your keyboard passed through the interwebs towards iceman (?).
I didn't see anyone deny that he defeated him.
The fact is, he did defeat him. However, it was the way that he defeated him that makes people question his power, and make them twist it to fit their needs.
wow,youre clever.anyways this is stupid,my vote is still for scathan but whatever lol
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
You're either blind, stupid or both. I will accept any.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Well done. You stopped assuming and actually found proof.
Look closely at the bottom right panel:What do you see? I see Protege being attacked. We see a huge KABOOM! and we see Protege being affected by the blast. Who's attacking him:
Scathan!!! What do you see? I see the same colored energy that's surrounding Protege when he's attacked, it's even coming off the 2 blasters on his shoulders the same was smoke comes out of the barrel of a gun after its been shot. As Mr. Master said Scathans disapproval is what ended Protege. There's absolutely no disputing this is where Protege was defeated.
While a new twist was brought to light, does that look like Protege is defeated? Seems like he just turned around to see the attacker.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33But he was there for the battle, right?
The details son, the details. How Yondu was aware of the details is what I'm referring to considering he arrived AFTER the Beyonder explained everything to the GotG.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33I never said that that was where he was defeated. I said that he was defeated by the muzzle.
Let me see if I've got this straight. You believe that this scan is where Protege is defeated? Considering this is the first time we see Protege after the first 2 scans:All that's said in regards to the muzzle is that it's there so Protege can't see what's going on during his sentencing. Again, going back to what Mr. Master said, if Protege still had all the powers he had previously at that point he could just break free, right? I mean most people on here find it ridiculous that we all think Scathan>LT. If that were true, the muzzle would be nothing to Protege.
However, in your previous post you mentioned that he couldn't copy powers with his eyes closed, which would mean that a muzzle could defeat him...
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Because I was responding to you, and his post was basically the same as yours.
I also find it odd that Mr. M confirmed everything I said yet my post is the one you to attempt to discredit. Hmmmm.
And there's no end with Mr Master as well. It's pointless to argue with him.
Originally posted by Mekrob
No one has ever mentioned this before, or pointing it out, even the fabled Mr Masters has never made a case out of it, and assumed in the post you mentioned three in this post... you're the first to point it out, or is ODG?
Anyway, you seemingly just found it, or got it PM'ed to you (uhdunno), so I don't get how it was easy to see when you don't care.
You mean the bottom right scan? I always figured it was obvious since the color of the energy blast matched the color of the energy Scathan was eminating on the next page.
Well done. You stopped assuming and actually found proof.
Same response as my previous post. I didn't feel it was necessary to make a case out of it since I figured it was common knowledge.
While a new twist was brought to light, does that look like Protege is defeated? Seems like he just turned around to see the attacker.
Likely considering that if he wasn't he would be copying all of Scathans powers right there since Scathan is making a huge and obvious display of power
Also, the LT bio scan sort of confirms that's the moment Protege was defeated.
But he was there for the battle, right?
If memory serves he arrived shortly after Protege copied the LT. It's unimportant nevertheless, I just thought it odd that he was explaining it to everyone being he was the last GotG to arrive.
I never said that that was where he was defeated. I said that he was defeated by the muzzle.However, in your previous post you mentioned that he couldn't copy powers with his eyes closed, which would mean that a muzzle could defeat him...
I don't see how the muzzle could've defeated him if he still possessed the powers of everyone standing there. He could teleport himself out, destroy the muzzle or guarded himself from ever being put in the muzzle. I think it's quite obvious that Protege was made powerless before being placed in the muzzle.
Let's be honest, if Protege was still all powerful in that scan where he's facing Scathan, the battle would've most likely gone in a very different direction.
Because I was responding to you, and his post was basically the same as yours.And there's no end with Mr Master as well. It's pointless to argue with him.
Truth. I don't always agree with him but I avoid debating him. I simply can't keep up.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33The only evidence would be the smoke from the blasters, which I've overlooked many times, but noticed. Also, just sort of ignored it, for everyone else's interpretation that that panel was where he started to own all the abstracts... meh
You mean the bottom right scan? I always figured it was obvious since the color of the energy blast matched the color of the energy Scathan was eminating on the next page.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Maybe, but then that could have been where Scathan put the muzzle on him.
Likely considering that if he wasn't he would be copying all of Scathans powers right there since Scathan is making a huge and obvious display of powerAlso, the LT bio scan sort of confirms that's the moment Protege was defeated.
Not really. It just says that Scathan judging against him caused him to be defeated. Which could mean that Scathan got pissed and beat him up, his judgement actually stopped him in his tracks (IE, God taking away Spectre's power), or that he muzzled him.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Well, he would have still seen the battle.
If memory serves he arrived shortly after Protege copied the LT. It's unimportant nevertheless, I just thought it odd that he was explaining it to everyone being he was the last GotG to arrive.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Would he still have the power if his muzzle was on/his eyes were covered?
I don't see how the muzzle could've defeated him if he still possessed the powers of everyone standing there. He could teleport himself out, destroy the muzzle or guarded himself from ever being put in the muzzle. I think it's quite obvious that Protege was made powerless before being placed in the muzzle.Let's be honest, if Protege was still all powerful in that scan where he's facing Scathan, the battle would've most likely gone in a very different direction.
Would that mean that Scathan beat his powers out, or that he simply disapproved?
Also, Protege was sort of dumb even if he did still have his powers...
So, are you implying that it's Scathan's ruling and only Scathan's ruling that took away his powers? Would that still mean he is as powerful as he is on the forum, or does it make him as powerful as an average Celestial but with special power?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Meh, not wanting to have a discussion that doesn't end until you end it doesn't qualify as not being able to keep up.
Truth. I don't always agree with him but I avoid debating him. I simply can't keep up.
Anyway, I avoid reading most of his posts. meh
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
and The Presence has no power over Scathan by your logic.
Scathan's power is but an atom in the eyes of The Presence.
And did you even bother reading my post before replying?
Scathan ain't doing jack shit to Spectre.
If The Presence wants The Spectre to kill Scathan, then it shall be done.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
🤨Scathan's power is but an atom in the eyes of The Presence.
And did you even bother reading my post before replying?
Scathan ain't doing jack shit to Spectre.
If The Presence wants The Spectre to kill Scathan, then it shall be done.
So your argument is that Scathan wouldn't have the power to defeat Spectre but the Spectre has the power to defeat Scathan?
Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't the presence this is the Spectre. Two completely different beings.
Not exactly. If the Presence wants Spectre to win, you might as well be fighting the Presence itself unless you are a supreme being yourself.
Celetials are creations of eternity. Scathan is a celestial, and my problem is, his feats are dubious. The whole fight was craptacular writing that made no sense.
This is one of the few things I agree with Mr. M on. That shit is basically the kind of writing we ignore on this forum.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Not exactly. If the Presence wants Spectre to win, you might as well be fighting the Presence itself unless you are a supreme being yourself.
He has his own power, and it has always been limited. When he temporarily merged with the Source, he obtained powers which was anything he'd ever felt. He was even unable to handle it. That suggest that he never had that kind of power before. Even a mere percentage of the Presence power would dwarf the power of the Source, heck even Lucifer ignored the Source.
The most powerful version, to date, of the Spectre would be when he fought the Anti-Monitor, since he was unable to handle the power of the Source. So anything that can defeat the IC: Anti-Monitor can defeat the Spectre.
Originally posted by Astner
The Spectre has never exerted the power of the Presence. The argument you're making is based on that the Spectre is the wrath of god, which isn't right to begin with. He's an agent of god, just like the angels. He doesn't as you suggest channel the power of the Presence more than Superman does.He has his own power, and it has always been limited. When he temporarily merged with the Source, he obtained powers which was anything he'd ever felt. He was even unable to handle it. That suggest that he never had that kind of power before. Even a mere percentage of the Presence power would dwarf the power of the Source, heck even Lucifer ignored the Source.
The most powerful version, to date, of the Spectre would be when he fought the Anti-Monitor, since he was unable to handle the power of the Source. So anything that can defeat the IC: Anti-Monitor can defeat the Spectre.
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