Originally posted by quanchi112
Apokolips now, superman's comic where Superman easily bfr'd him, twice in Superman/Batman,legends crossover, countdown, end of owaw, etc.I mean he hasn't beaten Superman by himself in how many years?
In death of the new gods he was amped bigtime. Under his own power he can't beat him unless he has some kind of help.
Confidential was their first meeting by the way. Is darkside even canon?
Every time I see you arguing you seem to want to dodge the gist of my argument. In no era has DS had problems beating Supes. In DOTNG DS wasn't amped when he was killing Supes.
As I said in every period in his history he has been shown to have the beatings of Supes, and in many of those instances he used his esoteric powers.
Originally posted by AllanklesDude, you a liar.
Every time I see you arguing you seem to want to dodge the gist of my argument. In no era has DS had problems beating Supes. In DOTNG DS wasn't amped when he was killing Supes.As I said in every period in his history he has been shown to have the beatings of Supes, and in many of those instances he used his esoteric powers.
You are using elseworlds as evidence which is against the rules. I have given more instances of Darkseid not beating Superman under his own power than you have.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dude, you a liar.
Learn to use thumbnails.
I wasn't talking about that instance genius. Do you see DS trying to kill Supes there? It seems you never read all of DOTNG.
I was talking about DOTNG # 3, where DS uses the oblivion manifestations (shadow demons) to kill Supes before Miracle saves him with the ALE.
You're posting DOTNG # 8 which is after DS had the SFE and merely KO'd Supes, I was talking about the time he's killing Supes with the evolved shadow demons where Superman states and I quote:
"Once again I've underestimated Darkseid's power [....] and it looks like it will be a fatal error."
Originally posted by AllanklesDarkseid changed them but they aren't his power to unleash unless on his planet apokolips. Just like he can't use parademons in battle.
Learn to use thumbnails.I wasn't talking about that instance genius. Do you see DS trying to kill Supes there? It seems you never read all of DOTNG.
I was talking about [b]DOTNG # 3
, where DS uses the oblivion manifestations (shadow demons) to kill Supes before Miracle saves him with the ALE.You're posting DOTNG # 8 which is after DS had the SFE and merely KO'd Supes, I was talking about the time he's killing Supes with the evolved shadow demons where Superman states and I quote:
"Once again I've underestimated Darkseid's power [....] and it looks like it will be a fatal error." [/B]
Ds under his own power can't beat Superman anymore it seems.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid changed them but they aren't his power to unleash unless on his planet apokolips. Just like he can't use parademons in battle.
The shadow demons are manifestations of oblivion they are not parademons (who are physically and mentally reconditioned soldiers). With the Omega Force Darkseid has control over this manifestations thanks to his power over oblivion.
Thats his power, Superman clearly states "Again he has underestimated DS' power" so take up your arguments with Supes, buddy.
Originally posted by Allankles
Thats his power, Superman clearly states "Again he has underestimated DS' power" so take up your arguments with Supes, buddy.
While I'm doing that, I'll also ask him why he said J'onn was more powerful than the hundred something members of the JLA, included himself, combined.
Crazy Kryptonian.
Originally posted by AllanklesEnalyus already has this one covered. Thor is his greatest opponent then up to 2003 or whatever year the jla/avengers crossover came out and so on.
The shadow demons are manifestations of oblivion they are not parademons (who are physically and mentally reconditioned soldiers). With the Omega Force Darkseid has control over this manifestations thanks to his power over oblivion.Thats his power, Superman clearly states "Again he has underestimated DS' power" so take up your arguments with Supes, buddy.
Ds only used these on his home planet in one issue. I have never seen Ds use this tactic outside his homeworld and himself personally. Supes and the gang met up with apokoliptian resistance that's all.
Superman met up again with him in countdown and Ds had to use jimmy olsen to gain an advantage. He can't use shadow demons in a fight here.
Originally posted by Draco69
If Thanos has prep, sure he can win.But without? He's screwed.
Ares doesn't even have a physical body. The guy with scary blue armour and huge battle axe? That's just a projection of himself. So is the blond guy with a scars on his chest.
He's quite literally a god. He can create and unmake reality. He can create universes and destroy them in a second thought.
He's also absorbed Hades' powers making him doubly powerful.
Thanos can't really attack him. One tactic Ares likes to use is to become 'one' with the universe and just blitz his opponent from a higher plane.
And any act of violence against Ares just makes that much stronger. He feeds it on it. That's what gives him life.
So, Thanos can blast away all he wants. He wouldn't be harmed in anyway. Ares is the personification of war and conflict. Unless war and conflict across the multiverse dies out, Ares is immortal, infinite and unstoppable.
please post that in the darksied vs dc ares thread too you obliviously know quite a bit about ares , could you explain how granny goodness captured the entire greek pathon (sans whoever) and didn't granny goodness beat athena almost to death or something.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, because Superman isn't a liar. You can't take one statement as the truth and completely disregard the next just because it suits you.
Riight! Except he's actually getting killed in this instance and he wasn't making any comparisons he was simply stating the facts of the scenario, he expected to screw with the molecular composition of the shadow demons but found that they had become perverted by DS' power, they evolved, and were slowly absorbing him into oblivion before the Miracle bailed him out with the ALE.
As I said, take the argument up with Supes, and by extension Starlin who wrote him.
Originally posted by AllanklesDs changed them and the were killing him. Ds doesn't have access to shadow demons in a forum fight and wasn't even in the same room as Superman at the time. Superman tried the same strategy that worked on them the first time he met them which didn't work this time thanks to Ds.
Riight! Except he's actually getting killed in this instance and he wasn't making any comparisons he was simply stating the facts of the scenario, he expected to screw with the molecular composition of the shadow demons but found that they had become perverted by DS' power, they evolved, and were slowly absorbing him into oblivion before the Miracle bailed him out with the ALE.As I said, take the argument up with Supes, and by extension Starlin who wrote him.
Manhunter is more powerful than Supes as well unless you think he is lying. Supes beats up Darkseid when these two are in the same room. That's just the way it is.