Originally posted by cloud102
I agree. Superboy Prime isn't all that bright. Which is why he'd lose. Just saying it's in his realm, but bricks like Cap, Superman, Supergirl, or even monel can't be stopped by such an attack. Time warping isn't all that.
Show me them resisting something of the nature.
Originally posted by cloud102Any evidence of this not working against them especially with someone like Odin doing it.
I agree. Superboy Prime isn't all that bright. Which is why he'd lose. Just saying it's in his realm, but bricks like Cap, Superman, Supergirl, or even monel can't be stopped by such an attack. Time warping isn't all that.
It worked on a Loki controlled Destroyer who was > Asgard itself sans Odin
Originally posted by carver9
Show me them resisting something of the nature.
You know Superman had a bunch of miscellaneous powers? I remember an old villain (Adversary?) trying to stop Superman with time, but Superman moved so fast that he was on a whole nother frequency.
SHAZAM back in the day couldn't even stop Black Adam. So what did he do? Sent him to the farthest reaches of the universe. Black Adam then proceeded to return by moving faster than the speed of light.
Originally posted by cloud102
You know Superman had a bunch of miscellaneous powers? I remember an old villain (Adversary?) trying to stop Superman with time, but Superman moved so fast that he was on a whole nother frequency.SHAZAM back in the day couldn't even stop Black Adam. So what did he do? Sent him to the farthest reaches of the universe. Black Adam then proceeded to return by moving faster than the speed of light.
Originally posted by cloud102
You know Superman had a bunch of miscellaneous powers? I remember an old villain (Adversary?) trying to stop Superman with time, but Superman moved so fast that he was on a whole nother frequency.SHAZAM back in the day couldn't even stop Black Adam. So what did he do? Sent him to the farthest reaches of the universe. Black Adam then proceeded to return by moving faster than the speed of light.
All this speculation doesnt prove anything. Saying that some precrisis krptonians and other characters resisted it(without even showing scans or iving context) and then expectin us to say prime can do the same doesnt fly at all.
Originally posted by Naija boy
All this speculation doesnt prove anything. Saying that some precrisis krptonians and other characters resisted it(without even showing scans or iving context) and then expectin us to say prime can do the same doesnt fly at all.
If you read my post above, i didn't say prime could do the same. Just that it wouldn't be impossible to do.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Superman used to be able to fly in reverse of the Earths rotation to turn back time. Superman can do anything and everything needed to win w/e fight it turns out to be. But yea there's still tons of people that could beat him.
Yep. I remember Superman creating mini versions of himself! Pretty silly. But I wouldn't say "tons" of characters. Not unless you count cosmics and gods, but Superman has defeated some of those himself.
Originally posted by kgkg
He claimed Time stops in the Phantom zone..and it's inescapable? ProofPeople have the escaped the Phantom zone before beside Prime
Such as Mon-El , Zod , Ak-Var etc
None of these guys broke out of the zone instantly with a single punch.
All needed plot devices and it still took years.
Prime was put in (and that was a PC version of the PZ from what it looked like) and he punched his way out easily.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
So why are you asking me? I never even knew that the PZ stops time.
Nobody ages in the PZ, they are usually wraiths unless special circumstances are in effect.
Originally posted by Naija boy
In the phantom zone arent characters conscious and aware of there existence and of the phsical world? If so that is in no way the same as affecting the timestream in which case all activity,mental, physical or otherwise is brought to a halt.
It's done by magic...and we all know that magic means shit to SBP. Odin might as well be tossing pillows at him.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me them resisting something of the nature.
I gave one. SBP instantly punching out of the PZ like it was something physical. Nobody else has been able to do anything similar except Mr. Mind/Skreets who's abstract.
Originally posted by Avlon
It's done by magic...and we all know that magic means shit to SBP. Odin might as well be tossing pillows at him.I gave one. SBP instantly punching out of the PZ like it was something physical. Nobody else has been able to do anything similar except Mr. Mind/Skreets who's abstract.
Firstly the state of existence in the phantom zone isnt the same as when the timestream s stopped. the characters are still aware and conscious of there existence and that of the phsical world. Hence there is continued mental activityetc. Completely different from when the timestream is altered and time is stopped completely. So the whole phantom zone example counts for nothing
Then as for the magic thing, Odin wont be trying to directly affect prime with his magic, he will be trying to affect the timestream. Hence prime wont be immune to it because Odin isnt directly using any magic on him. He is affecting the timestream itself which prime operates in.
Its like if a gl who cant affect yellow is fighting a person with all yellow on. He may not be able to affect the person who is wearing the yellow directly but by destroying what the person is standin on the gl will affect him using indirect means. (cause him to fall down)
Originally posted by Naija boy
Firstly the state of existence in the phantom zone isnt the same as when the timestream s stopped. the characters are still aware and conscious of there existence and that of the phsical world. Hence there is continued mental activityetc. Completely different from when the timestream is altered and time is stopped completely. So the whole phantom zone example counts for nothing
Nobody claimed that they were exactly the same thing. Both HOWEVER are outside effects on a character that are normally INESCAPABLE effects. Prime did the unthinkable and punched his way out of an abstract attack from a place where powers are removed.
Prime is a bag of PIS with a cape.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Then as for the magic thing, Odin wont be trying to directly affect prime with his magic, he will be trying to affect the timestream. Hence prime wont be immune to it because Odin isnt directly using any magic on him. He is affecting the timestream itself which prime operates in.
How do you stop time for someone that moves FTL and is virtually immune to such environmental effects in the 1st place? Especially when physically Odin is both far weaker and wayyyyy slower in the 1st place? Stopping time would have come in handy for guys like Thanos and things like Ragnarok...
Originally posted by Naija boy
Its like if a gl who cant affect yellow is fighting a person with all yellow on. He may not be able to affect the person who is wearing the yellow directly but by destroying what the person is standin on the gl will affect him using indirect means. (cause him to fall down)
All Gl's are fodder to Prime. Bad example.
Originally posted by Avlon
Nobody claimed that they were exactly the same thing. Both HOWEVER are outside effects on a character that are normally INESCAPABLE effects. Prime did the unthinkable and punched his way out of an abstract attack from a place where powers are removed.Prime is a bag of PIS with a cape.
Someone earlier mentioned that prime isnt the only one to escape from the phantom zone(even if the others had prep). And still regardless of that, the two attacks while in very general and broad terms of description are in the same category( the same way punching and blasting are both categorized as external forces that cause bodily harm) are otherwise entirely different. Therefore no premise can be made for one based on a situation involving the other.
Prime may be a bag of PIS but fortunately PIS is not applicable by forum rules
How do you stop time for someone that moves FTL and is virtually immune to such environmental effects in the 1st place? Especially when physically Odin is both far weaker and wayyyyy slower in the 1st place? Stopping time would have come in handy for guys like Thanos and things like Ragnarok...
Prime moving faster than light is of no consequence here. He moves faster than light within the timestream and once Odin stops the flow of time primes speed wont matter. He hasnt shown to be immune to this kind of attack and doesnt have time manipulation himself to counter it so i dont know what "environmental effects" he has shown immunity to that are relevant here. Prime being stronger than Odin also is nice but is also incosequential to him being able to resist this form of attack. Odin also has many more advantages which outweigh primes strength advantage anyway.
All Gl's are fodder to Prime. Bad example.
Originally posted by AvlonIt wasn't the Pre-crisis version of the PZ . That arrow was fashioned by post-crisis Superman himself. Beside the original PF was different and you couldn't physically get out by punching.
None of these guys broke out of the zone instantly with a single punch.All needed plot devices and it still took years.
Prime was put in (and that was a PC version of the PZ from what it looked like) and he punched his way out easily.
not only could people move inside this PZ , but interact with people outside
we see this twice
#1) When Superboy prime is fighting the titans
This is impossible in the Pre-cris PZ
#2) again mon able to move inside the PZ
as for you original statement
Time stops in the Phantom zone..and it's inescapable. Prime easily punched his way out. SBP can pretty much do whatever when it's necessary in a storyline.
also it was a very good strength feat for prime rather than Time busting feat.
Originally posted by carver9
Proteus being a reality level threat; he would kill prime.
Okay so one person saying he's a danger to reality makes it true? Get out of here Carver. Fact of the matter is he still gets beaten by characters who posses a fraction of the power that SBP posses and he's never been shown to tag someone who moves as fast as Prime. Your arguments have no merit or evidence whatsoever.
