I would be a fool if I did not say this would be a matched fight, with that said, however, I would have to go with the Necromorphs for several reasons. The first is that while the Flood has a powerful rate of production, they are not proficient in their use of organic material. The Necromorphs use any and all organic material set infront of them, the Flood however can only take something that is, for the most part, undamaged. The second is that the necromorphs have a larger range of varity in its different forms especially now that it has added races to infect. The third is that the Necromorphs have fully mutated body parts, such as the grabber's elongated spine and its use of its intestines to hold a creature with its head. The fourth is that Hivemind has telepathic powers and can basically control other creatures than the rest of the Necromorphs aswel as the Necromorphs themselves. Then finally despite the fact the Flood and the Necromorphs are mostly alike, the Necromorphs not only use vast numbers, but they also use strategy instead of purely swarming the enemy.
Originally posted by BalorC23
I would be a fool if I did not say this would be a matched fight, with that said, however, I would have to go with the Necromorphs for several reasons. The first is that while the Flood has a powerful rate of production, they are not proficient in their use of organic material. The Necromorphs use any and all organic material set infront of them, the Flood however can only take something that is, for the most part, undamaged. The second is that the necromorphs have a larger range of varity in its different forms especially now that it has added races to infect. The third is that the Necromorphs have fully mutated body parts, such as the grabber's elongated spine and its use of its intestines to hold a creature with its head. The fourth is that Hivemind has telepathic powers and can basically control other creatures than the rest of the Necromorphs aswel as the Necromorphs themselves. Then finally despite the fact the Flood and the Necromorphs are mostly alike, the Necromorphs not only use vast numbers, but they also use strategy instead of purely swarming the enemy.
Originally posted by BalorC23
I have and I did, but I stick by my decision. However, I'm curious what you mean, explain please.
You compared the two and found that the two are alike, mostly because their fictional classification as a sentient species are identical, yet you still decide to try and separate the wheat from the chaff. That doesn't make sense.
Then for some reason you jump ships and start pointing out 'differences' between the Flood and Necromorphs - both are parasitic-based races, it's a given that infection/assimilation is a necessity in order for the species to persevere. Saying that is like measuring the content of rubber in a tire just to confirm you're looking at a car.
If you're referring to the whole gameplay mechanic in Halo of having to destroy corpses to avoid them 'resurrecting' from an Infection form and basing your observation of 'undamaged' tissue off of that, you're already behind.
Ditto with the Flood regarding the whole mutation. "Fully" mutated, what on Earth is that supposed to mean? It's either mutated or its not, there's no partial sense of the word - at least not in this case. While those abilities ou described are nice, the methods might be different but the end result is the same overall, the genetic structure of the host has been altered to enhance combat ability.
I also want to point out something here:
Then finally despite the fact the Flood and the Necromorphs are mostly alike, the Necromorphs not only use vast numbers, but they also use strategy instead of purely swarming the enemy.
Remember, the Flood have the ability to assimilate knowledge - firing weaponry, driving vehicles, even piloting ships. All have been shown and demonstrated - in-game too, I might add. They do act like a swarm in close combat, yes, but only when the situation suits them.
If you had actually paid attention playing throughout the campaign, you wouldn't have said something like that.
Well first off I did say they were the alike and very much the same, but no two things are exactly alike. Also the Flood doesn't use all material, it does all go to the Gravemind sooner or later but it won't send an arm to chase after. The Necromorphs, however, will use any piece of organic material to kill you. When I said "fully" i probably should have used a better word, but what I was trying to imply is the extreme change in the infected body. The Flood is "fully" mutated but it is still for the most part its base creature. I have to be honest, though, I did forget about the infected ship in Halo. However, in a close fight no strategy. At least I never thought their attacks upon me as strategy and from the fact they could just about never kill me I would say their swarming never suited them yet it's what they did to try and kill me.
Originally posted by BalorC23
Well first off I did say they were the alike and very much the same, but no two things are exactly alike. Also the Flood doesn't use all material, it does all go to the Gravemind sooner or later but it won't send an arm to chase after. The Necromorphs, however, will use any piece of organic material to kill you. When I said "fully" i probably should have used a better word, but what I was trying to imply is the extreme change in the infected body. The Flood is "fully" mutated but it is still for the most part its base creature. I have to be honest, though, I did forget about the infected ship in Halo. However, in a close fight no strategy. At least I never thought their attacks upon me as strategy and from the fact they could just about never kill me I would say their swarming never suited them yet it's what they did to try and kill me.
I really find it hard to believe that the ability to reanimate something like a severed arm for the purpose of combat would be useful at all, the Flood just eat everything. They need it to keep functioning. What you're talking about with the Gravemind is the assimilation of knowledge, kind of like what happened with Keyes in the first Halo.
I also find it hard to believe that the close combat tactics employed by Necromorphs (playing dead, hunting in packs, using stealth) would have much of an effect on the way the Flood fight and reproduce. Playing dead is about the equivalent of pulling one's pants down and bending over, you'd have a swarm of infection forms all over you in an instant.
The Flood don't need strategy. It's not wired into their genetic structure as a result - they just feed infest and feed some more.
If you want to understand the scale of how fast and dangerous Flood reproduction is, skip to 2:25.
The arm and stuff would be, personally the head that crawled was one of the only thing able to kill me, except the tri-pod and the ubermorph, but I was using the arm as an example of one the creatures. And with the strategy laying dead is not the only thing and would not be very effective against the Flood however they would also use decoys and things alike. Also I've seen the infection rate for both.
Originally posted by BalorC23
The arm and stuff would be, personally the head that crawled was one of the only thing able to kill me, except the tri-pod and the ubermorph, but I was using the arm as an example of one the creatures. And with the strategy laying dead is not the only thing and would not be very effective against the Flood however they would also use decoys and things alike. Also I've seen the infection rate for both.
A mere HOURS from a big ship crashing into Mombasa, they flash vaporized the entire CONTINENT. That's how fast it spreads.
Is this still happening? The Necromorphs only stand a chance if all of their grunt forms are replaced by nothing weaker than their mini-bosses. Anything that hits hard enough to send a genetically modified super soldier in a half ton metal suit vs a Necromorph is easily winning the match with or without weapons.
Originally posted by BalorC23
I stick with the Necromorphs no matter their reproductive rate. And while I think the Master Chief is one of the most kick ass characters made I think I would still have more trouble fighting the Necromorphs as him then I ever did as the Flood with him.
I must also add that Master Chief very nearly got taken out by ONE combat form and ONE Infection Form. And the combat form was using a WRENCH as a weapon.
Space faring humanity is arguably advanced civilization, and comparing the amount of space the flood was able to affect compared to Necromorphs does seem a bit one sided when all they'd shown was a single colony and a (albeit rather large) space ship.
That being said, things don't look much better for the Necromorphs after part 2 since Isaac was there for quite a while, unless of course the mutations and infections didn't occur until just after the marker was activated, in which case it could be arguable that Necromorphs do mutate and comparable rate to the Flood.
I know he's talking about the Forerunners. I'm talking about humanity in the Dead Space fiction. With things like plasma based construction/medical tools that could also function as effective weapons in a crisis, time/space manipulation devices, and massive ships capable of breaking down entire celestial bodies to harvest minerals, I would hardly call humans in Dead Space low-tech. Humans in the Halo fiction hadn't even discovered plasma based technology until they met the Covenant, and were still mostly utilizing the same solid kinetic force of projectile weapons that's been part of human history for hundreds, or by their time line thousands, of years.
That's not to say Dead Space humanity can compare to Forerunner or even Covenant in terms of tech, but they're arguably the more advanced, at least compared to humanity in Halo, and with no hyper-advanced extraterrestrial civilizations in Dead Space, it's rather hard to put a decent comparison to how devastating the necromorph parasite can be.