Originally posted by Kris BlazeUnless Loki showed the ability to repeal TP, or apply mental fortitude in the form of mind blocks. It does not keep him safe from mind swipe.
And how is that of any relevance to Loki's showing?
Think of Xavier and Exodus situation. Even Exodus himself, would be open to Xaviers TP, despite being psi of the 1st order.
Originally posted by id369
Unless Loki showed the ability to repeal TP, or apply mental fortitude in the form of mind blocks. It does not keep him safe from mind swipe.Think of Xavier and Exodus situation. Even Exodus himself, would be open to Xaviers TP, despite being psi of the 1st order.
And? It's not first strike first win. Any telepath can naturally resist someone else's attacks with their own telepathy. Even Xavier is vulnerable to telepathy.
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Let's not forget that Loki can absorb any kind of power he's struck with. And he doesn't eat it, he simply assimilates it, so there's no overloading.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And? It's not first strike first win. Any telepath can naturally resist someone else's attacks with their own telepathy. Even Xavier is vulnerable to telepathy.http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/ThorGodstormBook3-16.jpg
Let's not forget that Loki can absorb any kind of power he's struck with. And he doesn't eat it, he simply assimilates it, so there's no overloading.
I miss the point, where it states he can assimilate any form energy. Besides if the Great Beast Tundra could not contain his energies, what hope does Loki have?
My point exactly even Xavier can be subdued to Telepathy if he is not prepared. Which falls back to your stance. Does Loki have the necessary ability to prevent a mindswipe?
Originally posted by id369
I miss the point, where it states he can assimilate any form energy. Besides if the Great Beast Tundra could not contain his energies, what hope does Loki have?My point exactly even Xavier can be subdued to Telepathy if he is not prepared. Which falls back to your stance. Does Loki have the necessary ability to prevent a mindswipe?
- IT WAS AN AVATAR OF THE GREAT BEAST. Whenever they appear on earth, they're not at full power. The Great beast was trying to contain it. Loki doesn't drain his opponent.
- My point was that even though they're vulnerable, you can't "catch 'em off guard" since they will get a chance to fight back with their telepathy. Unless you have some magic incident where a telepath is taken out by someone whose feats are no on par, simply because they're chillin'
- And Loki can clone himself near instantly.
You are aware that, when X-Men attempted to retaliate against Cable. They set forth psionic disruptors, and where backed up by Emma Frost in the Cerebra, and yet they still nothing more then a distraction to Cable.
Cable who at the time, held the Floating Island Providence, monitoring the thoughts of all humans on Earth.
Originally posted by id369
You are aware that, when X-Men attempted to retaliate against Cable. They set forth psionic disruptors, and where backed up by Emma Frost in the Cerebra, and yet they still nothing more then a distraction to Cable.Cable who at the time, held the Floating Island Providence, monitoring the thoughts of all humans on Earth.
'kay
And?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- IT WAS AN AVATAR OF THE GREAT BEAST. Whenever they appear on earth, they're not at full power. The Great beast was trying to contain it. Loki doesn't drain his opponent.- My point was that even though they're vulnerable, you can't "catch 'em off guard" since they will get a chance to fight back with their telepathy. Unless you have some magic incident where a telepath is taken out by someone whose feats are no on par, simply because they're chillin'
- And Loki can clone himself near instantly.
Avatars reach full power within 20 minutes, and can absorb limitless amount of energy. Yet they met a limit, when they attempted to absorb Nate energy. And no the Great beast attempted consume their energy, not contain it.
Loki can be dead ready, but does he have what it takes to accomplish what the X-Men with Psionic Disrupters and Emma w/Cerebra couldn’t?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
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Its an example or a reminder of the level to psionic this man wields. To reinforce where he stands, and why he is regarded mid herald class character.
Originally posted by id369
Avatars reach full power within 20 minutes, and can absorb limitless amount of energy. Yet they met a limit, when they attempted to absorb Nate energy. And no what the Great beast attempted consume their energy, not contain it.Loki can be dead ready, but does he have what it takes to accomplish what the X-Men with Psionic Disrupters and Emma w/Cerebra couldn’t?
Its an example or a reminder of the level to psionic this man wields. To reinforce where he stands, and why he is regarded mid herald class character.
- So? It wasn't at full power. Don't recall seeing those statements about absorbing "limitless amounts of energy" not that it matters much, seeing as nothing is limitless. Stupid statement.
- Why would he? He doesn't need to rely on telepathy. Your only argument is basically that even if Loki has displayed strong telepathy, he hasn't defended himself against telepathic attacks and therefore he will automatically lose against a telepath.
- Wow, Mr. Mid Herald himself, mighty impressive. Alas, this helps little against Loki.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- So? It wasn't at full power. Don't recall seeing those statements about absorbing "limitless amounts of energy" not that it matters much, seeing as nothing is limitless. Stupid statement.- Why would he? He doesn't need to rely on telepathy. Your only argument is basically that even if Loki has displayed strong telepathy, he hasn't defended himself against telepathic attacks and therefore he will automatically lose against a telepath.
- Wow, Mr. Mid Herald himself, mighty impressive. Alas, this helps little against Loki.
Careful with AD HOMINEM, Badabing not in the mood for them.
I am continuously looking for an answer, in regards to Loki mental resistance. But the topic keeps on being diverged. In short I will take he does not have, a history to say look he can place mental blocks to protect himself.
And his telekinesis at an atomic level, strong enough to shatter the Surfers board. It’ s best for Loki not attempt to walk though that line of fire.
Originally posted by id369
Careful with AD HOMINEM, Badabing not in the mood for them.I am continuously looking for an answer, in regards to Loki mental resistance. But the topic keeps on being diverged. In short I will take he does not have, a history to say look he can place mental blocks to protect himself.
And his telekinesis at an atomic level, strong enough to shatter the Surfers board. It’ s best for Loki not attempt to walk though that line of fire.
- As far as I know, Loki and Strange battled telepathically and Strange was repelled. Other than that Loki hasn't fought anyone else telepathically, only used it on people without resistances worth mentioning.
- Cable shattered the Surfer's board and restrained his efforts for some time. Commendable, but Loki fared much better against Surfer. Harming Surfer himself and then going on with his plan. Which was to add his own power to the Surfer's, so that he could defeat Thor for him.
As for ID, I still think that this would be a fight. Both Cable and Nate (The other thread) have high end telekinesis, which is for all intents and purposes almost the same as molecular manipulation. They have many ways of attacking Loki, energy blasts, amplification, etc.
Also, unlike Exodus, Loki can still use his other powers while fighting someone telepathically.
Originally posted by shiv
Loki has no defense against a straight up mindrape.
Only, he defended himself against Dr.Strange.
If it got down to him vs Emma, the outcome would be relatively clear, even if she had cerebra.
You didn't answer my question, what high end magic users have failed in affecting Cable?
He would win by HVB. Cable @1:16
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Originally posted by Voyeur
He would win by HVB. Cable @1:16
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I'd give this match to Cable. Loki, strong as he is was completely manhandled by (classic) apocalypse.
Cable was bred by sinister to take down apocalypse, and raised by apocalypse himself (ok, well...his clone anyway) as "heir"...the only being capable of containing his *substantially expanded* energies a 1000 years in the future.
FP cable should outclass loki FTW here.
