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Advocatus Diaboli
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Completely irrelevant as Mace would never be as strong or as fast against Anakin as he was against Sidious.
You base that statement on what exactly? Mace didn't boost his own speed or strength using Vaapad. Not even according to the novel. He used the "superconducting loop" to irritate the Sith Lord (reflecting Sidious fear back on him), which made Sidious lose speed and lower his defense. Then Mace disarmed him. That doesn't change the fact that Mace is equal to Sidious in terms of speed once fully emerged into Vaapad.
Otherwise by your completely irrelevant A>B>C argument Mace is more powerful than Yoda as Yoda culdnt overpower Sidious but Mace did.
Coming from the guy that attempts to use an A>B>C argument? Pretty hilarious. And where couldn't Yoda overpower Sidious? Notice that Mace and Sidious were fighting on equal ground, while the duel between Yoda and Sidious happens in situations in which the Sith Lord always has a position of advantage. They aren't compareable.
Where was Kenobi's position of advantage during his fight with Anakin (with the exception of the last scene, in which he assumed the higher ground)? Where was Kenobi's advantage in their force contest?
A state he may be able to replicate in a hypothetical fight against Mace.
Yes. Because Mace would likely apply Dun Möch (a Sith technique) against Anakin, in order to taunt him into utilizing his dark emotions, right? Lmao.
However Mace culd never replicate the Speed and Power he had against Sidious (due to the Superconducting loop in that fight), in a fight against Anakin.
a) See above.
b) Why would Mace even need to replicate that speed and power. That would only make sense if you want to assume that Anakin is equal to Sidious in terms of force mastery. I hope you don't even want to try that kind of argument. Because then I would have to rip you into so many little pieces, that even my grandma, who can do a 1000-piece-puzzle in one hour, will never be able to finish putting you back together again - even if she would go back in time to when her vision was perfect.
And Dooku changed his mind about losing to Anakin once he realised how dangerous he was, and that it was him controlling the fight not Dooku. He had decided to kill Anakin.
How comes that people like you and Gideon never get the point? If I follow a command to lose a fight, I'm not giving all I can from the beginning on. How often could Dooku have killed Anakin, if he had tried it? The situation in which he floored Kenobi and Anakin at the same time and then spent several seconds to crush the - already knocked out - Jedi Knight. That would have been a nice opportunity to get rid of Skywalker, right?
And of course he wouldn't have lost, if he hadn't taunted Anakin to use the dark side. I said that before and you ignored it. Here you have it again.
Anakin beat Dooku fair and Square. Deal with it. And Nick Gillard has already put Anakins duelling skills up there with Sidious, Yoda and Mace. So I dnt knw where your getting your information from.
Oh really?
I didn't see Nick Gillard handing out any numbers for Sidious, Yoda or Mace. Gosh. So how could he put Anakin on one level with them - without defining a level for them. That clearly doesn't make sense. And, as much as I hate to say it, but Lucas word is gospel. And his word is: You have to be Yoda or Mace to sucessfully challenge Sidious. Conclusion: Anakin is not on one level with Yoda, Mace and Sidious. End of debate.
and theres nothing to suggest he culdnt replicate that feat again.
You mean with the exception of the fact that he never did it before or after? Not to mention that he didn't even archieve it on his own but had Dooku taunt him into the zone? Sorry. If there was any hint that Anakin could somehow get into that state at will (or with some work) I'd agree with you. Here you simply don't have a point and also contradict Lucas (note: the only absolute canon existing in the SW Universe) in order to come to your conclusion. In short: YOU FAIL.
That shows Dooku was winning.. it doesnt show he already won! And iv already admitted that Both Dooku and Mace would have a decent chance of defeating Anakin early in a fight, as Anakin gets stronger as the fight goes on.
He doesn't automatically get stronger the longer the fight lasts. Where did you get that from? If anything, then the opponent would tired more then Anakin over time. That helps him how exactly against opponents clearly above his own level?
He used his power in a controlled fashion against Count Dooku in ROTS, and in the animated movie.
Lmao. Where exactly, pal? In the animated movie, Dooku easily destroys Anakin in their little force contest. There you go. In RotS? I didn't see Anakin using his force mastery much there. When he tries, he's on par with Kenobi. Who was owned by Dooku before. Nice show.
And your comparing the Kenobi fight??!! thats a HUGE BLUNDER in your argument! and the worst application of the A>B>C argument.
I, at least, have an argument, where you just attempt to ramble against established canon. Did I already mention that YOU FAIL?
Anakin and Kenobi knew each others moves inside out. They knew each other "more intimately than lovers" and fought like "two halves of the same warrior"
Mace doesnt know Anakins moves inside out, nor does Anakin know his. Hence a completely different fight. Plus your picking the fight in which Anakin had the LEAST focus and control over his power. Very Poor Argument.
It's getting better and better.
So Mace Windu who mastered the form Anakin is using in order to create Vaapad doesn't have a clue about Anakin's movement patterns? That's hilarious. I'd say he knows that form far better than Kenobi does, who just observed it but did never study it.
And you call it a "poor argument" when I use this fight? This while your trying to pass down an argument based on an Anakin in a metaphysical situation that he never assumed before or after. Nice.
And Mace beating Sidious was a plot device as Anakins turning to the Dark Side.. so what?? It HAPPENED!! Very Poor Arguments from someone claiming that im talking trash. Very Weak.
You still fail to note the difference between archieving something based on your own ability and archieving something with the help of an opponent that is not allowed to defeat you anyway. And you dare to call any argument "poor"? To make it clear: Even the worst debators around here have to bow down in order to spit on your head. So how about a nice cup of STFU before you embaress yourself further?