Originally posted by jaden101
Not true. People's bodies are completely atrophied when they are still plugged in but in the matrix they can walk about etc. Something they would be entirely unable to do if they were straight out of the pods.If the fight is in the matrix, and we are to take as true the legend of what Neo is supposed to be from Morpheus' speech in M1 then Neo would win because his inherent ability would mean he was able to change the matrix as he saw fit. Meaning he could change the entire fight area into Kryptonite then just pound Superman's face to pieces as he lay helpless.
Of course, that;s all dependant on whether or not you think Neo is really "the one".
morpheus told stories about legends of the one, like you said. mopheus did not witness this. nobody did because neo didn't do it. neo's feats were awesome but he couldn't change the matrix as he saw fit. if he did, he would be able to travel in the speed of thought, he would not need the key maker to open the door that leads to the source, he would have the same exact number of neos as there are smiths in the burly brawl.
Originally posted by super pr*xy
morpheus told stories about legends of the one, like you said. mopheus did not witness this. nobody did because neo didn't do it. neo's feats were awesome but he couldn't change the matrix as he saw fit. if he did, he would be able to travel in the speed of thought, he would not need the key maker to open the door that leads to the source, he would have the same exact number of neos as there are smiths in the burly brawl.
He was "The One."
That was a legend and specifically fabricated by the remnants of Zion and the machines, propagating from ear to ear for who knows how long until this generation of "The One" was discovered.
You don't consider flying and bringing himself and Trinity back from the dead being "The One"?
Also, Neo was more intelligent than the previous "The One"s. Note that the architect, when he gave his B.S. speech and Neo replied "That didn't answer my question", the architect then said, "Interesting. That was faster than the others." Meaning, Neo was not only "The One", but he was probably the best "The One". This could be because his connection to humanity was specific, as the architect said, instead of broad as "The One" is designed to really be. Remember, Neo and the other "The One"s are merely a probability accounted for in the Matrix. Neo has the highest showing for "The One", based on his conversation with the Architect.
Don't you think the Architect would have emphatically told Neo that he isn't "The One"?
And, curiously enough, the Architect and the Oracle designed "The One"'s into the Matrix, so, technically, "The One" is not manipulating the Matrix as he or she sees fit.....they are doing as the Architect and the Oracle intended. 😐 ZOMG! Yur mindz wur just blowned away!!!1!!1!
Originally posted by dadudemon
He was "The One."That was a legend and specifically fabricated by the remnants of Zion and the machines, propagating from ear to ear for who knows how long until this generation of "The One" was discovered.
You don't consider flying and bringing himself and Trinity back from the dead being "The One"?
Also, Neo was more intelligent than the previous "The One"s. Note that the architect, when he gave his B.S. speech and Neo replied "That didn't answer my question", the architect then said, "Interesting. That was faster than the others." Meaning, Neo was not only "The One", but he was probably the best "The One". This could be because his connection to humanity was specific, as the architect said, instead of broad as "The One" is designed to really be. Remember, Neo and the other "The One"s are merely a probability accounted for in the Matrix. Neo has the highest showing for "The One", based on his conversation with the Architect.
Don't you think the Architect would have emphatically told Neo that he isn't "The One"?
And, curiously enough, the Architect and the Oracle designed "The One"'s into the Matrix, so, technically, "The One" is not manipulating the Matrix as he or she sees fit.....they are doing as the Architect and the Oracle intended. 😐 ZOMG! Yur mindz wur just blowned away!!!1!!1!
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Originally posted by dadudemon
He was "The One."That was a legend and specifically fabricated by the remnants of Zion and the machines, propagating from ear to ear for who knows how long until this generation of "The One" was discovered.
You don't consider flying and bringing himself and Trinity back from the dead being "The One"?
Also, Neo was more intelligent than the previous "The One"s. Note that the architect, when he gave his B.S. speech and Neo replied "That didn't answer my question", the architect then said, "Interesting. That was faster than the others." Meaning, Neo was not only "The One", but he was probably the best "The One". This could be because his connection to humanity was specific, as the architect said, instead of broad as "The One" is designed to really be. Remember, Neo and the other "The One"s are merely a probability accounted for in the Matrix. Neo has the highest showing for "The One", based on his conversation with the Architect.
Don't you think the Architect would have emphatically told Neo that he isn't "The One"?
And, curiously enough, the Architect and the Oracle designed "The One"'s into the Matrix, so, technically, "The One" is not manipulating the Matrix as he or she sees fit.....they are doing as the Architect and the Oracle intended. 😐 ZOMG! Yur mindz wur just blowned away!!!1!!1!
The story of "the one" as it's told in Zion was just another way for the machines to control the people of Zion. Meaning that the previous incarnations of "The one" were never really "the one" anyway.
The only argument for Neo being the one is that of the self fulfilling prophesy. That this non existant one was spoken of so much that it had to happen at some point. Or at least the end product of their existence...ie the end of the war.
He never really changed the matrix as he saw fit...the ability for him to do so never existed...it was all just part of the story that was fabricated in order to control those who didn't accept the matrix programming.
On the other hand...take Sati...She was a programme created with no purpose and had no way of a purpose being bestowed upon her after she escaped into the matrix....yet she was able to change the sunrise "for Neo"...How did she aquire that ability?....why is the oracle protecting her above all other programmes which choose exile in the matrix?
Because, in reality, she is the one with the power to destroy the matrix?
Originally posted by jaden101
The story of "the one" as it's told in Zion was just another way for the machines to control the people of Zion. Meaning that the previous incarnations of "The one" were never really "the one" anyway.The only argument for Neo being the one is that of the self fulfilling prophesy. That this non existant one was spoken of so much that it had to happen at some point. Or at least the end product of their existence...ie the end of the war.
He never really changed the matrix as he saw fit...the ability for him to do so never existed...it was all just part of the story that was fabricated in order to control those who didn't accept the matrix programming.
On the other hand...take Sati...She was a programme created with no purpose and had no way of a purpose being bestowed upon her after she escaped into the matrix....yet she was able to change the sunrise "for Neo"...How did she aquire that ability?....why is the oracle protecting her above all other programmes which choose exile in the matrix?
Because, in reality, she is the one with the power to destroy the matrix?
Originally posted by omgchos
Look, While i loved the matrix trilogy and that is a good explination.
I still believe, as i always have, that at the end when neo died.....
He should've woken up in the chair and said to Morpheus "I know kung-fu" and the credits roll just after morpheus says "show me".
That would've been almost as bad as Bobby Ewing in the shower in Dallas.
Originally posted by dadudemon
He was "The One."That was a legend and specifically fabricated by the remnants of Zion and the machines, propagating from ear to ear for who knows how long until this generation of "The One" was discovered.
You don't consider flying and bringing himself and Trinity back from the dead being "The One"?
Also, Neo was more intelligent than the previous "The One"s. Note that the architect, when he gave his B.S. speech and Neo replied "That didn't answer my question", the architect then said, "Interesting. That was faster than the others." Meaning, Neo was not only "The One", but he was probably the best "The One". This could be because his connection to humanity was specific, as the architect said, instead of broad as "The One" is designed to really be. Remember, Neo and the other "The One"s are merely a probability accounted for in the Matrix. Neo has the highest showing for "The One", based on his conversation with the Architect.
Don't you think the Architect would have emphatically told Neo that he isn't "The One"?
And, curiously enough, the Architect and the Oracle designed "The One"'s into the Matrix, so, technically, "The One" is not manipulating the Matrix as he or she sees fit.....they are doing as the Architect and the Oracle intended. 😐 ZOMG! Yur mindz wur just blowned away!!!1!!1!
i am not negating the fact that neo was, indeed, in fact and undisputedly "the one." what i am trying to say is that the stories floating around zion about the abilities of "the one" are mostly fabricated. what makes it a good myth is that it has some truth to it. changing the matrix as he saw fit was never shown in the movies. he can manipulate it, yes.. but change it as he saw fit? never seen that ability..
and a lot of programs in the matrix deviate from their purpose, even neo. as the architect said, the purpose of the one is to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code he carries. the achitect presented neo 2 options, the door leading to trinity and the door leading to the source.
but i digress.. neo couldn't change the matrix into sh!t if his life depended on it. none of the "ones" did. it's a myth.