Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I get that but the dude was obviously close enough to Markov to be informed about the the terrorist attack and plans. From what i gathered the agent was there just to get close to Markov not to prevent a Nuclear war. I guess i missed something. It just seems like a weak way to provoke Russia into a war with America. All it takes to provoke Russia into war with America is one dead American Cia agent?

No, it takes one dead American terrorist left at the end of a very large trail of dead Russians.

Imagine selling it to the Russian people and how it would come out.

"100's died today at a local Airport, officials found dead American with guns, explosives, knives, and terrorist tattoos"

Yeah...they'd go to war and I wouldn't even be able to blame them.

The one thing I don't really like about this game is that how, in the campaign could

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the Russians get such a large force and attack America and get through EVERYTHING that quickly? This whole thing takes place during a matter of a few days as far as I know, and it seems really hard to believe that they could have done THAT MUCH damage in that little time...and where were the Canadians? If America were invaded by that massive of a force to take WASHINGTON, Canadians would definitely be there helping out. What happens to the US is directly tied to us.

I was mildly shocked at first when it just happened (the airport massacre). I said "holy sh*t..". but i still did kill, but that was after a good while when i thought to myself "just play". But i felt just about genuinely guilt about doing it..

i had one friend that said he shot not one single person.

it was definetely my most uncomfortable video game experience ever.

Originally posted by General G
No, it takes one dead American terrorist left at the end of a very large trail of dead Russians.

Imagine selling it to the Russian people and how it would come out.

"100's died today at a local Airport, officials found dead American with guns, explosives, knives, and terrorist tattoos"

Yeah...they'd go to war and I wouldn't even be able to blame them.

The one thing I don't really like about this game is that how, in the campaign could

Spoiler:
the Russians get such a large force and attack America and get through EVERYTHING that quickly? This whole thing takes place during a matter of a few days as far as I know, and it seems really hard to believe that they could have done THAT MUCH damage in that little time...and where were the Canadians? If America were invaded by that massive of a force to take WASHINGTON, Canadians would definitely be there helping out. What happens to the US is directly tied to us.

I don't agree with that because it isn't as though it was an attack backed by the feelings of an entire nation or people. It would be the acts of a single man who obviously had deep Russian ties. Now, if the American president sent out a slew of videos claiming victory and responsibility for the attacks and the entire nation celebrated over the dead Russians, then YES i can understand that. However, it is one man who obviously had deep Russian ties, not to mention that he was an undercover CIA agent. There would be a prolonged investigation into what happened. I really think the developers tried to create a story where Russia and America engaged in a mutual war started by a handful of people on both sides but it seemed like they didn't want to push the political envelope to far.

The entire story is senseless and barely serves enough justification for the missions. I don't want to seem as though i'm complaining because i don't need a story to go kill people with guns, in a video game. I just wanted to point how how ridiculous their attempts were. The game strives to be shocking but with no logical reasoning behind these scenes and twists the attempts become the equivalent to the death scenes in a torture porn movie.

I think Cod is probably the best war shooter (technically) but look at a game like Front Lines. That game focuses very little on a story line but it's still able to give logical reasoning and a powerful impact.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I don't agree with that because it isn't as though it was an attack backed by the feelings of an entire nation or people. It would be the acts of a single man who obviously had deep Russian ties. Now, if the American president sent out a slew of videos claiming victory and responsibility for the attacks and the entire nation celebrated over the dead Russians, then YES i can understand that. However, it is one man who obviously had deep Russian ties, not to mention that he was an undercover CIA agent. There would be a prolonged investigation into what happened. I really think the developers tried to create a story where Russia and America engaged in a mutual war started by a handful of people on both sides but it seemed like they didn't want to push the political envelope to far.

The entire story is senseless and barely serves enough justification for the missions. I don't want to seem as though i'm complaining because i don't need a story to go kill people with guns, in a video game. I just wanted to point how how ridiculous their attempts were. The game strives to be shocking but with no logical reasoning behind these scenes and twists the attempts become the equivalent to the death scenes in a torture porn movie.

I think Cod is probably the best war shooter (technically) but look at a game like Front Lines. That game focuses very little on a story line but it's still able to give logical reasoning and a powerful impact.

There hasn't been good feeling between the Russians and the Americans for a long time now. How is Russia to know whether or not those Americans who did the terrorist attack weren't supported by an American government? They, in fact, were supported by the American government. They knew about it, they did nothing, they PARTICIPATED in it, they could have stopped it, they didn't. The world doesn't know the man was a CIA agent, and even if they did...how would that help? It would actually make it even worse, because then the world would know that the Americans KNEW about the attack and did NOTHING to stop it, they helped get it done. It would look worse on them.

I do, however, agree that the story is really lame. I think they could have done better with it for sure. More story is always nice in a game and adds a lot to it.

Originally posted by General G
There hasn't been good feeling between the Russians and the Americans for a long time now. How is Russia to know whether or not those Americans who did the terrorist attack weren't supported by an American government? They, in fact, were supported by the American government. They knew about it, they did nothing, they PARTICIPATED in it, they could have stopped it, they didn't. The world doesn't know the man was a CIA agent, and even if they did...how would that help? It would actually make it even worse, because then the world would know that the Americans KNEW about the attack and did NOTHING to stop it, they helped get it done. It would look worse on them.

I do, however, agree that the story is really lame. I think they could have done better with it for sure. More story is always nice in a game and adds a lot to it.

Russia and America may have extreme differences but the countries still communicate politically. I could be wrong but i just don't think the beliefs and actions of ONE single American would spark a third world war. If anything America would simply send their regards and there would be some hard felt feelings had by the Russian populace towards America and the world would go on. Either that or America would claim he was nutty bastard who joined a group of crazy Russians. Then Russia would probably spin it to their people that the terrorists were muslim extremists. If war were imminent, unless America wanted war, i'm sure they would disclose the agents identity and objective. This would mean that it would be made known that the majority of the terrorists were Russian nationalists and the agent was there to stop war. Either way i still hit the brick wall of why the Agent was there, why wasn't it a Russian agent? The Americans weren't trying to gain intel on Russia or provoke Russia. Wouldn't this information be shared and why not just kill Markov before the attack and prevent this from happening in the first place?

Or was the agent put there by Shepard? I know Shepard wanted war...,for what reason i still have no idea. If this were the case it would just make it more ridiculous for me to swallow.

On the Modern Warfare 2 commercial I saw a satellite blow up and saw an astronaut soaring through space. Anyone want to explain what that's all about?

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Russia and America may have extreme differences but the countries still communicate politically. I could be wrong but i just don't think the beliefs and actions of ONE single American would spark a third world war. If anything America would simply send their regards and there would be some hard felt feelings had by the Russian populace towards America and the world would go on. Either that or America would claim he was nutty bastard who joined a group of crazy Russians. Then Russia would probably spin it to their people that the terrorists were muslim extremists. If war were imminent, unless America wanted war, i'm sure they would disclose the agents identity and objective. This would mean that it would be made known that the majority of the terrorists were Russian nationalists and the agent was there to stop war. Either way i still hit the brick wall of why the Agent was there, why wasn't it a Russian agent? The Americans weren't trying to gain intel on Russia or provoke Russia. Wouldn't this information be shared and why not just kill Markov before the attack and prevent this from happening in the first place?

Or was the agent put there by Shepard? I know Shepard wanted war...,for what reason i still have no idea. If this were the case it would just make it more ridiculous for me to swallow.

Well, it wouldn't have been the actions of ONE single American, obviously it wasn't one person doing this attack, as every Russian would know, survivors from the attack could attest to that. "America would simply send their regards"? So it would be cool after 9/11, if those terrorists just "sent their regards"? Everywthing would dandy and life would go on as per normal? No...The Russians would want revenge for such a massacre. No nation would allow such an attack go un-noticed. And if the Russians did blame it on some muslims or any other religious group, then some type of war would still happen, the Russians would be asking for blood, just as the Americans did after 9/11. Even if they disclosed the identity and objective of a CIA agent, that would definitely not be enough for the Russian people. First, the Americans could be bull shitting them, and second, there is no proof that he was there with other Russians and not Americans...the Russian people would be very mad the Americans let this happen.
I think that it was an American agent because they said at the beginning something about the Russians going against the States and the SAS, even after helping them out in Modern Warfare 1, but I don't know for sure 😖

And the agent was definitely sent there by Shepard, I remember at the beginning after the second mission I think it was where Shepard comes up to you saying you would only be taking orders from him from then on and in one of the "cinematics", Shepard told him it would cost him a piece of himself.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
On the Modern Warfare 2 commercial I saw a satellite blow up and saw an astronaut soaring through space. Anyone want to explain what that's all about?

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Captain Price goes rogue for a bit to end the Russian campaign in America by sending an EMP missile over to Washington and detonated it before it hit the ground which caused a pulse to go out in space I guess, hitting the space station.

didnt america go to war in the middle east because ten guys blew up the WTC? seems like a similar situation to the russians going to war with america because of the terrorist thing.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
didnt america go to war in the middle east because ten guys blew up the WTC? seems like a similar situation to the russians going to war with america because of the terrorist thing.

thats not the official story...

oh right right... i meant to say that its because arabs are a threat to national security. 😄

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I was mildly shocked at first when it just happened (the airport massacre). I said "holy sh*t..". but i still did kill, but that was after a good while when i thought to myself "just play". But i felt just about genuinely guilt about doing it..

i had one friend that said he shot not one single person.

it was definetely my most uncomfortable video game experience ever.

i mowed them down, even capping people that were crawling execution style. dunno what that says about me, though.

just wasn't that uncomfortable for me, i guess.

Anybody else finding the Special Ops kinda easy? Me and my boy are kinda breezing through them. Some give us a bit more trouble but nothing anywhere near what "Mile High Club" was.

I stole some guys EMP on multi player. He wasnt a happy camper. lol.

LoL

EMPs are fun.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Anybody else finding the Special Ops kinda easy? Me and my boy are kinda breezing through them. Some give us a bit more trouble but nothing anywhere near what "Mile High Club" was.

I stole some guys EMP on multi player. He wasnt a happy camper. lol.

I'm doing them alone. They aren't all that easy.

Some u wont be able to do without a partner.

I'm a Trigger Happy Maniac. 😊

YouTube video

Plus I eat snipers for breakfast. 313

Anyone else beat this game on veteran yet? It was ridiculously easy (compared to World at War), but it definitely had its tough spots, but nothing like COD 2 or WAW, not nearly as many grenades for one thing.

Originally posted by General G
Anyone else beat this game on veteran yet? It was ridiculously easy (compared to World at War), but it definitely had its tough spots, but nothing like COD 2 or WAW, not nearly as many grenades for one thing.

Thats what I heard. Theres a couple of stages where I figure it might be extra hard (when the russians and Americans are fighting each other and u have to sneak past the fight). Ill start mine when I finish the Special Ops (about 60% done).

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Thats what I heard. Theres a couple of stages where I figure it might be extra hard (when the russians and Americans are fighting each other and u have to sneak past the fight). Ill start mine when I finish the Special Ops (about 60% done).

Right on. You should do it pretty easily if you've done Hardened first like I did.

And that level wasn't even too bad I would say, just stick to the sides and use the planes as cover, easily picking them off because they barely ever notice you. But there are a few tough spots that will have you grinding your teeth. Good luck man.