wolverine vs black panther

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I love you. 😆

their are more then that scan of wolverines berserker rage. others are were it is described in a positive manner..

logan consciously submitted to the rage to defeat mr. x in the blood sport tournament.

also in the danger room session was described as simply enhancing wolverines reaction time and mental processes by condensing his perception of time.

you guys can try all you want to try an low ball his skills in his berserker rage but their are just as much if not more evidence to suggest the opposite. 😉

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
their are more then that scan of wolverines berserker rage were it is described in a positive manner..

There are but not all of them.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

logan consciously submitted to the rage to defeat mr. x in the blood sport tournament.

Thats because TP wouldnt work on him.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

also in the danger room session was described as simply enhancing wolverines reaction time and mental processes by condensing his perception of time.

you guys can try all you want to try an low ball his skills in his berserker rage but their are just as much if not more evidence to suggest the opposite. 😉

So all that proves is that his beserker rage isnt always conistent. He didnt look particularly good when fighting Captain America.

I aint lowballing a godamn thing.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fair enough. Still, IMO, we need a lot of more than just two brief encounters to compare their speed.

Yeah but as I was saying tha Captain America example clinches it for me.

sometimes in comics certain character feats are allowed to accurr in order to keep a main character to content with someone who completely outclasses him. hence the fact that cap needed the muramasa sword to survive that encounter.

in my opinion cap should consistently lose to logan in a fight especially in a berserker mode. i am not low balling cap but the only reason he is able to fight logan in a berserker rage is because by caps own admission he sees the world a lot slower then everyone else which is why he is able to see bullets.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sometimes in comics certain character feats are allowed to accurr in order to keep a main character to content with someone who completely outclasses him. hence the fact that cap needed the muramasa sword to survive that encounter.

in my opinion cap should consistently lose to logan in a fight especially in a berserker mode. i am not low balling cap but the only reason he is able to fight logan in a berserker rage is because by caps own admission he sees the world a lot slower then everyone else which is why he is able to see bullets.

Im not talking about that example, im talking about the werewolf saga thingy.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im not talking about that example, im talking about the werewolf saga thingy.

i was under the impression that wolverine managed to pin down cap for the win at the end of the battle before some chick injected cap with something.

if i am wrong please explain what happened. 😕

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i was under the impression that wolverine managed to pin down cap for the win at the end of the battle before some chick injected cap with something.

if i am wrong please explain what happened. 😕

Yeah he did, but he didnt look like the better fighter, Cap lost because he couldnt put him down and was trying to talk to him.

He lost but not due to Wolverine being faster or more skilled, like the scan provided said he was sloppy.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah he did, but he didnt look like the better fighter, Cap lost because he couldnt put him down and was trying to talk to him.

He lost but not due to Wolverine being faster or more skilled, like the scan provided said he was sloppy.

i cant really argue the validity of that fight and wolverines mind set i know he was mind controlled as well as being under the effect of a werewolf transformation so not sure if his berserker mind set was effected.

remember his berserker rage is described as him using all his martial abilities by pure instinct.

QUOTE=11716749]Originally posted by Rhinoceros
This is what Angel himself said about his [b]Feathers: "Moreover, my blades short-circuit the nervous system, paralysing whoever they touch"
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wolverine stated they completely disrupted it.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
I don't think Wolverine was doing, no I'm positive he wasn't dying. He was Koed by 4 feathers, which were sticking out of his back.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros

During the Return of the native arc.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Do you think a normal attack to his deltoids would paralyse his entire body? Of course it was pressure/nerve/weak spot attack.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
This is the first time wolverine himself describes his berserker rage perhaps? Don't ask me. He lost to himself, remember? That guy he's fighting is part of his soul made into a warrior.. That story implied that Calm Wolverine > Berserker Wolverine.

Just becuases one random writer made a mistake does not change years of comic evidences.

for the thousands time he wasent even berserker fighting capt.

love how one author mistake now changes years of comic evdiences that says other wises lol....but hey thats alf for you

Originally posted by Battlehammer
for the thousands time he wasent even berserker fighting capt.

love how one author mistake now changes years of comic evdiences that says other wises lol....but hey thats alf for you

some ppl like using low end feats of a character regardless of the opposite evidence that go back 30 yrs and has mounted of evidence in order to use it as a defense in debates, even though it goes against the forum rules of using high end feats characters at their best and no pis.

but what can you do. some ppl just cant let go regardless of how much you show them. just be fonz its what i try to do. 😎

true, but wolverine wasent even berserker. Capt speculate he was, but all evidences says he was not. Lol cpat never even seen a berserker wolverine lol

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
some ppl like using low end feats of a character regardless of the opposite evidence that go back 30 yrs and has mounted of evidence in order to use it as a defense in debates, even though it goes against the forum rules of using high end feats characters at their best and no pis.

but what can you do. some ppl just cant let go regardless of how much you show them. just be fonz its what i try to do. 😎

Excuse me? Who are you talking about? I pretty much explained my stance, my stance isnt that his beserker arge isnt useful, my stance is that it varies.

Ive been nothing but reasonable this whole thread, its over people that keep making excuses.

oh pleases the vast majority of wolverine showing as berserk show him far more formiable, however it does make him likly to kill an innocent or go out of controll.

and all that been shown is one author......which I showed two that say other wises and stiltman showed another two

most ppl who think they have, havent its cause they dont read enough wolverine going back over 30 yrs

if they read marvel presents: weapon x, wolverine, wolverine series they would realize that uber level fighters in comics would shite themselves if they saw him that way.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
oh pleases the vast majority of wolverine showing as berserk show him far more formiable, however it does make him likly to kill an innocent or go out of controll.

and all that been shown is one author......which I showed two that say other wises and stiltman showed another two

One of them was a book, so you got three examples I think. Somebody mentioned one and I mentioned another.

Anyway like I said his berseker rage varies.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
most ppl who think they have, havent its cause they dont read enough wolverine going back over 30 yrs

if they read marvel presents: weapon x, wolverine, wolverine series they would realize that uber level fighters in comics would shite themselves if they saw him that way.

Maybe, but ive seen people use that as an excuse alot.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
One of them was a book, so you got three examples I think. Somebody mentioned one and I mentioned another.

You have one....... and the other one you ahve is speculation on capt behaft, about something he knows nothing about. Not to mention Logan can't be berserker while mind controll, it defeats the purposes.

just becuases capt think something does not make it so.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Book cannon. so I have four.

I aint seen no proof for that.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

You have one....... and the other one you ahve is speculation on capt behaft, about something he knows nothing about.

He knows Wolverine quite well actually. I think the writers intention was that he was in a beserker rage thats why he said it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Not to mention Logan can't be berserker while mind controll, it defeats the purposes.

Can you prove that? Becuase a character called Dreadlox put Wolverine into a beserker rage by manipulating his mind.

wolverine can be goated into a berserker rage but he cant be controlled.

telepaths that try end up being pushed out of his mind by rage mental blocks ect ect.. blood shadow ended up being killed for trying to get into his mind.

here is another berserker rage. he doesnt look sloppy to me.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2273/weaponxfirstclass020021em4.jpg

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
wolverine can be goated into a berserker rage but he cant be controlled.

telepaths that try end up being pushed out of his mind by rage mental blocks ect ect.. blood shadow ended up being killed for trying to get into his mind.

That just proves he has strong mental resistance doesnt prove that you cant use mind control to get him into a beserker rage.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

here is another berserker rage. he doesnt look sloppy to me.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2273/weaponxfirstclass020021em4.jpg

Those guys arent Captain America. The context of the scans wasnt that his beserker rage wasnt useful but if you fight people at a certain skill level he could get into trouble.