Meh, the '40's comics are different than the comics now, and the fact of the matter is that all of his villains are taken more seriously than they once were. Even a villain as great as the Joker went through a period where he was simply comic relief. The Riddler would work just fine in Nolan's universe, especially since we haven't seen a lot of Batman's detective side.
Originally posted by Davis Bloome
Meh, the '40's comics are different than the comics now, and the fact of the matter is that all of his villains are taken more seriously than they once were. Even a villain as great as the Joker went through a period where he was simply comic relief. The Riddler would work just fine in Nolan's universe, especially since we haven't seen a lot of Batman's detective side.
But like I said, Riddler may have changed since then, but Robin changed a lot since the 40s, too, and everyone still holds that era (40s-60s) against the character...
I don't hold it against his character, because he's pretty cool, but the majority of people I've talked to on forums don't want him in the movies because this is a young Batman and they want to see him tackling his problems solo before they rush into partnering him with Robin or Batgirl. I'd be totally fine if he met Dick Grayson & maybe was in the stage of training him, but he didn't become Robin. That'd be fine, but we don't necessarily need Robin this early in the series. Batman is only in his late 20's. Robin should always come into play when he's in his mid 30's.
Originally posted by Davis Bloome
I don't hold it against his character, because he's pretty cool, but the majority of people I've talked to on forums don't want him in the movies because this is a young Batman and they want to see him tackling his problems solo before they rush into partnering him with Robin or Batgirl. I'd be totally fine if he met Dick Grayson & maybe was in the stage of training him, but he didn't become Robin. That'd be fine, but we don't necessarily need Robin this early in the series. Batman is only in his late 20's. Robin should always come into play when he's in his mid 30's.
Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting, but a lot of people don't want the character in AT ALL... It's those people who use the 40s-60s era against the character. But those same people want Riddler in, when he was just as goofy back then as Robin...
I'm not denying that a lot of villains were goofy in those days, just that some would fit into this universe and some wouldn't. At this stage, with all that's going on with Batman, I wouldn't buy him having the time to mentor and train someone to be his sidekick, and I honestly don't even see this version of Batman as wanting a sidekick at all.
With the Riddler he'd provide more of a challenge for Batman mentally....almost more than the Joker, because if the riddles are incredibly difficult, Batman would have to use every bit of his brainpower to solve them.
Originally posted by Davis Bloome
I'm not denying that a lot of villains were goofy in those days, just that some would fit into this universe and some wouldn't. At this stage, with all that's going on with Batman, I wouldn't buy him having the time to mentor and train someone to be his sidekick, and I honestly don't even see this version of Batman as wanting a sidekick at all.With the Riddler he'd provide more of a challenge for Batman mentally....almost more than the Joker, because if the riddles are incredibly difficult, Batman would have to use every bit of his brainpower to solve them.
good post
Originally posted by Davis Bloome
I'm not denying that a lot of villains were goofy in those days, just that some would fit into this universe and some wouldn't. At this stage, with all that's going on with Batman, I wouldn't buy him having the time to mentor and train someone to be his sidekick, and I honestly don't even see this version of Batman as wanting a sidekick at all.With the Riddler he'd provide more of a challenge for Batman mentally....almost more than the Joker, because if the riddles are incredibly difficult, Batman would have to use every bit of his brainpower to solve them.
But the logic behind not wanting Robin at all (his old goofiness) would apply to Riddler, too, right? We aren't looking at modern Riddler, since the logic that those certain fans use doesn't look at modern Robin...
See what I'm geting at?
Originally posted by Davis Bloome
My point now isn't that he isn't wanted because of his goofiness, the more mature comic fans have been long past that, and see him as a great character, but what I'm saying is he has no place in this series right now. The Riddler, on the other hand, does.
Yes, I understand that. He shouldn't be in the series yet, I'm not disputing that. I'm saying if those fans don't want Robin in ANY future film for THOSE reasons, they shouldn't want Riddler either because he fits THOSE reasons, too...
That was the point I was trying to get across...
Anyway...
'Nuff said...
Lol, this is the last thing I'll say on the Robin & Riddler subject for now because I know you probably want the discussion to move on but I have no doubt in my mind Nolan could take both as seriously as possible and make a great result.
My top choices for villains still stand as either a return from the Joker, the Riddler, Bane, or Harley Quinn. Yes, yes, I know you detest Harley Quinn, but Nolan would have the perfect opportunity of making the character nearly the same as TAS without making her too goofy. If she were used, the only time they'd have to show the Joker is maybe in a flashback sequence where she's talking to him in Arkham, but she could work quite well as a solo villain.
Originally posted by Davis BloomeCan't he just punch the Riddler in the face?
I'm not denying that a lot of villains were goofy in those days, just that some would fit into this universe and some wouldn't. At this stage, with all that's going on with Batman, I wouldn't buy him having the time to mentor and train someone to be his sidekick, and I honestly don't even see this version of Batman as wanting a sidekick at all.With the Riddler he'd provide more of a challenge for Batman mentally....almost more than the Joker, because if the riddles are incredibly difficult, Batman would have to use every bit of his brainpower to solve them.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Can't he just punch the Riddler in the face?
then there won't be much of a two hour film..
Originally posted by Davis Bloome
What would that have to do with showing Batman's detective skills?
i am very positive that Batman 3 or should i say Shadow of the Bat will show Batman's excellent detective skills
Originally posted by Davis Bloome
Exactly, which is why I want it used so badly. Especially with everyone being after Batman, I think it'd all go together perfectly.
yes it would, batman would certainly be able stay in the shadows while still protecting gotham city.. also i think gordan and batman will still communicate with each other secretly