Originally posted by Starscream MYou don't set them aside though. You take them together with all the other feats and look at them collectively. Your example only works because Deathstroke only punks Flash.
not when you're trying to decide whether the flash related feats were PIS or not in the first place. I can't say..." hey Deathstroke beating Flash isn't PIS...because of his many speed feats involving Flash"
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well, then we have a different interpretation of blitzing. Savage Hulk has hit Quicksilver when he didn't want to be hit. I don't believe that means Savage Hulk blitzed Quicksilver.
if you hit someone faster than they can react, and there's no PIS/CIS involved, i see that as a blitz.
Originally posted by Raoulso anytime Superman gets hit, he's being blitzed? hell no.
if you hit someone faster than they can react, and there's no PIS/CIS involved, i see that as a blitz.
these are examples of speedblitzes...I don't think wonder woman has done anything similar:
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2492/combatspeedts0.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8537/69520627tb6.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9351/86331340gw5.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5058/jay1wz3.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Setting aside Flash-related feats is ad ignorantium. Don't narrow the evidence when it clearly overwhelms you. She has feats against Flash, Superman, Zoom, Zoom-enhanced Cheetah, Mercury, Jesse Quick and Amazo off the top of my head. All of which regularly operate at magnitudes above the speed of sound and were shown to operate at magnitudes above the speed of sound in those instances. All of these speesdters are also capable of operating near the speed of light. Some of them even operate past the speed of light.
You're narrowing your theory too far. The displacement of air can take place at well beyond the speed of sound. Think about when an aircraft goes Mach 10, the air is obviously being displaced at 10X beyond the speed of sound. Vibrations are not confined to sound or sound speeds.
FYI, Draco69 is a guy. I'm arguing the point because you're arguing and repeating yourself on an imaginary issue with imaginary posters. Nobody asserted that one scan is enough. In fact, even before the scan was posted, other scans of Wonderwoman fighting speedsters were posted. So why even bring up the idea that, "That one scan isn't enough." You neither refuted, nor constructively added to the conversation. But I'll drop it for now.
I know, but after a certain speed, it be hard to uses the vibration made in order to fight, I am not an expert on the subject, but wouldent the vibration come far to late if he was moving far past the speed of sound.
I only posted it onces. I neevr wished to argue it, the only reason it was brought up again is when someone that I was comparing yo-yo to flash. I think we had a miss understanding. I missed the other pictures that were post, becuases I was away from my computer at the time. I realized after my post that other evidences was presented by draco
Originally posted by Raouland we judge which punches superman wants to get hit by and which ones he doesn't how exactly?
NO.i said faster than they can react. faster than superman can react. very few people can hit superman when he doesn't want to be hit.
and let me just get this straight:
you're saying if someone hits Superman, when Superman doesn't want to get hit, without PIS/CIS, then that would be a speedblitz?
Originally posted by RaoulI disagree. Mainly because I can think of all sorts of situations that would fit sucha definition, e.g. Cap has hit Wolverine faster than he could defend when Wolverine clearly doesn't want him to... blitz? But since this is really just mincing over words and since I am aware of people using the term thusly, I shall simply change my own terminology to make it easier. Overwhelming speedblitz is what I was referring to. Wherein, someone gets overwhelmed by a speedy attack. And the overwhelming doesn't necessarily have to lead to defeat. I'll be usin that term from now on.
if you hit someone faster than they can react, and there's no PIS/CIS involved, i see that as a blitz.
Originally posted by Starscream M
and we judge which punches superman wants to get hit by and which ones he doesn't how exactly?
we judge it by THAT person's other feats of combat speed.
and let me just get this straight:you're saying if someone hits Superman, when Superman doesn't want to get hit, without PIS/CIS, then that would be a speedblitz?
if they hit him faster than he can react, yes. being too strong for superman to block, doesn't count.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I disagree. Mainly because I can think of all sorts of situations that would fit sucha definition, e.g. Cap has hit Wolverine faster than he could defend when Wolverine clearly doesn't want him to... blitz? But since this is really just mincing over words and since I am aware of people using the term thusly, I shall simply change my own terminology to make it easier. Overwhelming speedblitz is what I was referring to. Wherein, someone gets overwhelmed by a speedy attack. And the overwhelming doesn't necessarily have to lead to defeat. I'll be usin that term from now on.
oh, right. well, that's different.
having semantic problems today, are we? 😛
Originally posted by Starscream MDiana doesn't need to speedblitz to use her speed in a fight.
the difference being that Superman clearly and often speedblitzes offensively in a fight...I could easily show you numerous scans of Superman speedblitzing his opponents.hence, it's not a stretch to say that superman will actually utilize his speed in a fight.
whereas I've yet to see even one, just one scan of WW speedblitzing an opponent.
I've shown you plenty of instances of her doing just that. I can show more. None of it changes this.
Anyways, do you seriously think that Deathstroke giving Diana serious trouble is reasonable? That's the entire point of what you quoted, after all.
