Originally posted by Starscream M
they're using nonbattle instances of speed to somehow indicate she would fight with lightspeed...despite never doing so in actual fightsI mean, nice she can run at lightspeed...has she ever run circles around her opponents during a fight then?
Well she has, but you're right she doesn't fight like a speedster. At best she's able to react like a speedster to some projectiles and she's able to utilize her flight.
At no point as she ever done ANYTHING to even remotely justify claiming that she can think multiples of times faster than Gorgon.
Originally posted by Kris Blazenobody said she's slow...but to say she fights at superspeed beyond gorgon's speed when their is little evidence is weak.
So she ain't got no speed!
if she fights at superspeed, show some scans. jinzin and i aren't afraid to admit we're wrong...but prove it. Show us instances of WW fighting offensively using anything even resembling lightspeed if its such common knowledge.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
No need to roll your eyes at me, we can't all think faster than Shield agents.Feel free to elaborate if you disagree with my interpretation.
yeah... not really what I've argued whatsoever.
though it IS worth noting that she doesn't FIGHT like a speedster as Starscream pointed out... There's a reason why people who are NOT speedsters are able to trade blows with her in fights and that doesn't just mean the poultry 4 I listed off, what about guys like Mongul, Matnis, Aquaman... Hardly speedsters.
Originally posted by jinzinI love how its supposedly so obvious WW fights at near light speed yet there is not a single scan showing her fighting at such speed
You assume she wasn't using her speed even though Batrman took her down in midflight in a fight where she was deflecting batarangs... And because I've assessed that after halfing half a dozen stand offs with street levels where she's nowhere near as impressive as you are making her out to be.... somehow I think she doesn't have speed?yeah... not really what I've argued whatsoever.
and of course, every scan where she loses or underreacts to people with barely meta speed can be chalked up to PIS
double standards, I tell ya
Originally posted by Starscream MUses her super speed against Amazo
but does she use that speed offensively in battles like a speedster would (ie. punch someone 100 times in a second, running circles around opponent)....NO, she has not done so
Blitzed Zoom
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228694_ww2147vszoom5qa/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228697_ww2148vszoom2wc/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228698_ww2149vszoom7vu/
Etc
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/16/1228635_787x1238.jpg
Originally posted by jinzinWas that when she was blindfolded? And when she was smacking Flash around? And Batman snuck up behind her?
More than that.How about the time she was systematically taking down the JLA one by one. Even hostile against Bats she didn't perform as impressive as she would need to to justify this WW cred.
Also, I find it funny on how your whole argument borders on WW not crushing Batman or Slade.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I love how its supposedly so obvious WW fights at near light speed yet there is not a single scan showing her fighting at such speedand of course, every scan where she loses or underreacts to people with barely meta speed can be chalked up to PIS
double standards, I tell ya
Seriously...
It's what I refer to as Spider Sense Syndrome..
You've got a character who has a random trait or ability that allows him to react to things faster and more imressively than his peers. Then you have every Spidey fan come into a debate with So-and-so Can't even touch Spiderman based on those few feats dispite multitudes of direct in-fight evidence that contradicts it.
Using Diana reacting to Superman and ignoring that Batman's done that too... and more often.
It's crazy... It's like putting Punisher in a fight with Captain America and me ignoring how Punisher's done because of Captain America's superhuman feats which would make him untouchable to most/all? humans.... I don't subscribe to that logic.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Uses her super speed against Amazo
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228645_JLAv2__6p5-1/
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Blitzed Zoom
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228694_ww2147vszoom5qa/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228697_ww2148vszoom2wc/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228698_ww2149vszoom7vu/
Originally posted by Original Smurphreplicated by Spiderman, Wolverine and Cap a dozen times over.
Etc
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/16/1228635_787x1238.jpg
Originally posted by Mekrob
Um... ya?Also, it was pieces of the God coming from every corner of the universe... in about a panel. And she was holding off every piece of him.
Did you read the scans?
Did.
Once again, it's reacting to practical lasers from every direction which a handful of streeters have done. are they too lightspeeders?
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Uses her super speed against Amazo
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228645_JLAv2__6p5-1/Blitzed Zoom
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228694_ww2147vszoom5qa/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228697_ww2148vszoom2wc/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228698_ww2149vszoom7vu/Etc
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/16/1228635_787x1238.jpg
scan 1: amazo UNDERESTIMATES WW's speed. she's fast. no one denies that. scan does not show her speed to be anywhere near lightspeed however.
scan 2: not sure where you see a blitz. or perhaps we have very different definitions of blitzes. she lassos Zoom...impressive speed and accuracy feat. but not a blitzing feat imo.
scan 3: rapid punches. again WW's fast. especially her reflexes and arm movement speed. no one's denying that. but she isn't a blitzer...ie superman where he looks like he's fighting an opponent at omnidirections at the same time, that would be a demonstration of fighting at superspeed.
