Sub-Zero vs Ryu

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
read again what I said. Goenitz only has some of Orochi's power while Orochi had 100% of his own power. if Goenitz has only some then he is stronger than the source of the power? please...

about that DBZ analogy, finally you can think better.

P.S : I won't reply this thread again if it's about Goenitz and Orochi. if you want to settle this, just made Orochi vs Goenitz thread.

Also 'Bout the me thinkin' better comment. That's good to know but, When will you start think' better?

And now I'm done.

Originally posted by Sado22
Gen has done nothing in terms of feat that makes him at Akuma's level, nor has Gouken or even Oro for that matter. but SF tells us that they are at his level.

what does that tell you? and Orochi could have destroyed the world hadn't it been for Kyo and Iori. what Goenitz did is nothing compared to what Orochi can do. not to mention that orochi can read minds, teleport, absorb energy, has telekenesis, can tear out your soul from your body, has an extremely rapid healing factor can bend time, is immortal and a god and the only reason he was defeated was because of the magical trinity that is sacred in its own right.

no need to reach like you are mane. your point was moot before it even got out of your mouth. that's the sad truth.

Orochi can kill all humans, supposedly, not destroy the world. Stop the fanboi wank, dude is not a planet buster. What the hell can Orochi do, lol? Name me one thing Orochi did that makes'im the strongest KOF character. Orochi can't read minds. Orochi can't absorb energy and erthang else you said, Orochi can do to an unknown degree. Hell, Bison can do that shit. And Orochi can't tear out the souls of the strong, only fodder and he has to get close to do it. Orochi has no healin' factor, you made that stupid shit up, as usual. Orochi can't bend time, what ever the hell that means. Let's see how immortal he is when his soul is sent to hell or his body gets torn to shreds. And HE IS NOT A GOD. GOD IS JUST A TITLE anyway. Don't know how many times we gotta tell you that. Are you stupid or somthin'? And show me where it says the only way to beat'im is to pit the sacred treasures against'im.

No need to wank like you doin', guy. Sad truth is, Orochi is not real and he's just a VG character. Its wrong of you to worship him as a God. Just slow down.

I have never used that excuse that cuz they are near Akuma's level, they win or even have a chance. You always make stupid shit up and succeed in makin' your self look dumb as hell. I only said things like that when it pertains to fights against other SF characters cuz the fight would take place in universe.

Orochi can kill all humans, supposedly, not destroy the world. Stop the fanboi wank, dude is not a planet buster.

What the hell can Orochi do, lol?

Name me one thing Orochi did that makes'im the strongest KOF character.

Orochi can't read minds.

Orochi can't absorb energy

And Orochi can't tear out the souls of the strong, only fodder and he has to get close to do it.

Orochi has no healin' factor

you made that stupid shit up, as usual.

Orochi can't bend time, what ever the hell that means.

Let's see how immortal he is when his soul is sent to hell or his body gets torn to shreds.

and show me where it says the only way to beat'im is to pit the sacred treasures against'im.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
not saying you did. you're saying won't even change the fact that the makers of SF have put gen on akuma's level without any feats to back up this claim. somehow your dumbass can't understand this simple fact that feats dont justify power levels...the makers of the game do.

says orochi can destroy the world. stop the retarded only-sf-characters-are-strong-and-no-one-else-is-and-if-someone-from-another-game-can-beat-ryu-i-will-slit-my-own-wrists-and-write-a-hate-mail-to-capcom-with-my-own-blood crap.

you just said it yourself, idiot

the fact that he can destroy the world/end humanity. sounds like a feat to me...considering esp that no one in your biblical SF comes close to it.

play the game, idiot.

play the game, idiot.

it is the soul that he rips out. play the game, idiot.

look at his winpose, idiot.

i meant bend dimensions. play the game idiot.

he is immortal, invincible and unkillable. he can bend dimensions. what makes you think he even has a soul. he's a god/divine creature

play the game. the whole orochi saga is JUST ABOUT THAT. idiot.

~Sado

1. You know, I'm gonna keep this civil and not insult the shit outta you, but I will say that you are irritatin' the shit outta me. I'm done after this. I'm not gonna argue wit Sado "I hate Street Fighter" 22 about why an SNK character would lose, especially not to a Capcom character.
The creators said Gen is equal to Akuma WAY BACK in Alpha 2. Even if he was still equal to Akuma it wouldn't matter in a fight where Gen wasn't fightin' another SF character. I think Akuma would destroy Goenitz and I can put together a 100% perfect argument why. Now if I put Gen against Goenitz I would have nothin' to say for Gen but, "he's equal to Akuma", that wont cut it. That's what your tryin' to do and it's retard logic.

2. That post really sucked and was really stupid and didn't help you at all.

3. What did I say? He can kill all humans, which any boss character can do? And you call me an idiot. 😂

4. End all humanity over an unknown period of time, which any boss can do. And you got the nerve to say, I think SF is biblical, but you say Orochi is a REAL God and he can destroy the world. Pleez dawg, You sound border-line ridiculous right now.

5. You must really think I'm some lame ass hatah like you. And you keep callin' me an idiot. I should report you but you don't know me so your insults are pretty useless. You must think I don't play KOF. You must think I'm like you. I just come to KMC to hate like you do. I own EVERY main KOF except 99'. I have 94 all the way up to 11 and can play them at will. And I play them often. I like KOF and I'm not some lame ass, envious, hatain' ass VG geek like you, man. I know what I'm talkin' about.

If you spent more time makin' a solid argument as you did callin' me an idiot. You may actually be good at this. And wit that bein' said, Why don't you go play the phuckin' games, chump.

Lord (in your case, Orochi) knows you need to.

Me being a SF fan, I have said this long ago... Orochi is pretty vague considering he had a grand total of ONE game to his name personally. However, Sado is not wrong here for the most part. (Only his flaming is wrong, not his facts)

Simple fact is, Akuma never has tangled with a true immortal before, and judging from Orochi's power scale, Akuma's chances arn't good at all.

Sado, for all the bashing you can have another warning. Congratulations.

Keep the insults out of your posts.

...That's it. I can't help it anymore.

You must really think I'm some lame ass hatah like you. And you keep callin' me an idiot. I should report you but you don't know me so your insults are pretty useless. You must think I don't play KOF. You must think I'm like you. I just come to KMC to hate like you do. I own EVERY main KOF except 99'. I have 94 all the way up to 11 and can play them at will. And I play them often. I like KOF and I'm not some lame ass, envious, hatain' ass VG geek like you, man. I know what I'm talkin' about.

If you spent more time makin' a solid argument as you did callin' me an idiot. You may actually be good at this. And wit that bein' said, Why don't you go play the phuckin' games, chump.

Lord (in your case, Orochi) knows you need to.

you said you own them but you didn't know about Orochi's power. play KOF 97 again. you'll see some of winning pose where he sliced his own chest but it was healed in a matter of second.

And if you play sacred force team, you'll see that Kagura said he can read people mind. just play it again and you'll see what Sado said.

OMFG, that doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter how much more power Orochi has over Goenitz, if he has no proof or way to show it, YOU CAN'T MAKE AN ARGUMENT, you don't know how much stronger Orochi is than Goenitz. We have no way to judge Orochi's strength, speed or durability. And until we can, he loses.

Oh please, don't be an ignorant. Maybe you said this because Bison retreated from his own dolls who only had a small amount of his power? Listen, Orochi has a bigger amount of power than Goenitz. fact. And what makes you think Goenitz is stronger? feat? Ah yes. Maybe you think Goenitz train so hard to surpass his master who had bigger portion of power. is that what you think? Like I said, use your logic. feat is not a main factor of what makes someone win.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
...That's it. I can't help it anymore.

you said you own them but you didn't know about Orochi's power. play KOF 97 again. you'll see some of winning pose where he sliced his own chest but it was healed in a matter of second.

And if you play sacred force team, you'll see that Kagura said he can read people mind. just play it again and you'll see what Sado said.

Oh please, don't be an ignorant. Maybe you said this because Bison retreated from his own dolls who only had a small amount of his power? Listen, Orochi has a bigger amount of power than Goenitz. fact. And what makes you think Goenitz is stronger? feat? Ah yes. Maybe you think Goenitz train so hard to surpass his master who had bigger portion of power. is that what you think? Like I said, use your logic. feat is not a main factor of what makes someone win.

I know about that win pose, but Sado made it sound like the dude is like Jedah or Alucard.

And Orochi can't read minds...
Orochi
"You have no mind or brains".
Kagura
"You can read my mind?!"
Orochi
He basically says, "I don't have to. All humans think the same things".
Paraphrasin'.

I don't know what the whole Bison tidbit was about, that was stupid. Listen, Orochi has a "bigger power" than Goenitz but he aint got any feats and we don't know how much stronger he is then Goenitz. We have no way to gauge his powers and he was defeated by characters who at the time has no feats either. Feats are A main factor of what makes someone win.

Implied power wit out demonstration is useless in an argument.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Simple fact is, Akuma never has tangled with a true immortal before, and judging from Orochi's power scale, Akuma's chances arn't good at all.

Orochi's power scale is 0 imo, cuz he aint did shit. You can imply how powerful he is all you want but wit no evidence to gauge, implied power can't be used.

You guys are acting like Sado started this insulting first....geez. 😮

Dude, your 'imo' doesn't actually detract from a characters known powerscale. wether or not he's got feats is incredibly detriment to the argument at hand.

Feats, while good, arn't argument breakers.

And cuz you think Orochi is stronger than erbody doesn't make it fact. Just bein' better than Goenitz aint an argument breaker either.

Especially when his foes aint from SNK. I never see peeps argue why orochi would beat Seph or Ganon. Hmmmm......only Capcom dudes.

It's not just what I think, Have a look, I'm certainly not the only one who 'thinks' this, even those that have only fractions of his power have made comparable feats to Gouki, and youre telling me that a being who has the complete power isn't winning because he has no feats.

Then you havn't been at KMC long enough, and certainly not at other forums...

And what feats do his followers have that are comparable to Gouki's?

Goenitz crushing a stadium with a tornado, the other 3 changing landscapes with their aura's, Rugal's crush fest of the 95 cast, Leona and Iori in Riot mode taking slightly less than half the 97 cast each...

Need I continue?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's not just what I think, Have a look, I'm certainly not the only one who 'thinks' this, even those that have only fractions of his power have made comparable feats to Gouki, and youre telling me that a being who has the complete power isn't winning because he has no feats.

Then you havn't been at KMC long enough, and certainly not at other forums...

You must not visit may other sites or only go to fanboi sites. And one of the feats his lackeys have come anywhere near Akuma's.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Goenitz crushing a stadium with a tornado, the other 3 changing landscapes with their aura's, Rugal's crush fest of the 95 cast, Leona and Iori in Riot mode taking slightly less than half the 97 cast each...

Need I continue?

Changing landscapes is vague, be more specific.

Crushing the 95 cast isn't really impressive to Gouki, who can kill them all, one punch per person.

Iori's feat is even less impressive.

Yes you should.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Goenitz crushing a stadium with a tornado

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
the other 3 changing landscapes with their aura's,

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Rugal's crush fest of the 95 cast, Leona and Iori in Riot mode taking slightly less than half the 97 cast each...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Need I continue?

I know about that win pose, but Sado made it sound like the dude is like Jedah or Alucard.

And Orochi can't read minds...
Orochi
"You have no mind or brains".
Kagura
"You can read my mind?!"
Orochi
He basically says, "I don't have to. All humans think the same things".
Paraphrasin'.

I don't know what the whole Bison tidbit was about, that was stupid. Listen, Orochi has a "bigger power" than Goenitz but he aint got any feats and we don't know how much stronger he is then Goenitz. We have no way to gauge his powers and he was defeated by characters who at the time has no feats either. Feats are A main factor of what makes someone win.

Implied power wit out demonstration is useless in an argument.

Not only in sacred force team. You can also see it in Ryo's team where Orochi already know it was a kyokugen style and called it a reckless gamble. And please answer this question. a small portion of Orochi power makes him go wild destroys a stadium without his full power. Then what about someone who possessed the full power? a weakling who never did anything? please explain how if that's your answer.

Orochi is not a God? probably. but remember this case : Crimson king in samurai deeper kyo made 4 red cross knight from his own flesh and blood. and none of those red cross knight are stronger than crimson king. they are far weaker but possessed some of Crimson King's power. and please note Crimson King is not a God.

Stadium? Gouki destroyed an island, that's a feat well above city busting, let alone a friggin stadium.

not a normal punch. if a normal punch can destroy an island, then his tenma gou zankuu can destroyed a continent.

I hope TGE knows that NO ONE in 95 has any feats or showins of power. Thus, Rugal beat a bunch of featless wonders. But then, loses to only 3 of them.

None of them beat Rugal. Rugal was self destructed.

Iori's feat is even less impressive

Iori caused the surrounding area simultaneously warps as if time and space were caving in on itself. and normal human would probably have died suffering from these brutal emissions of Iori's psyche. (KOF 2001 background story)

I really don't feel like arguin' wit you anymore. Er time we bump heads nothin' gets accomplished. I don't have the patience anymore.

Originally posted by I am who I am
I can show you more people who think opposite than you, then you can show me who think Orochi is this mighty God of Gods. This forum is so special, peeps think he's on Jedah an Pyron level.

You must not visit may other sites or only go to fanboi sites. And one of the feats his lackeys have come anywhere near Akuma's.

And how many of these 'opponents' hate KOF on principal?

I never called Orochi a God, he is immortal, perhaps a demon with divine powers due to his link with Gaia, but not a god and certainly not omnipotent, thats not my point. And nobody claimed he was higher end Darkstalker levels, certainly not God Tier darkstalker, he's no dimension smasher, but time warping, dimensional shifting, high end telekinetics and psychic power, among other things.

Fanboi sites, yeah, C Master would love to hear that...

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Stadium? Gouki destroyed an island, that's a feat well above city busting, let alone a friggin stadium.

Changing landscapes is vague, be more specific.

Crushing the 95 cast isn't really impressive to Gouki, who can kill them all, one punch per person.

Iori's feat is even less impressive.

Yes you should.

#1: I said comparable, and remember, Goenitz did it with a powerup.

#2: Fight the awakened new face team at the end of 97. purple flames scorching the landscape 1st, lightning storms wwrecking huge areas in the 2nd, and volcanic activity shaking everything in the 3rd. And the funny thing is, thats nothing compared to what Orochi's dimensional screwups do in his background.

#3: Prove that right now... Most of them are nobodies, granted, but quite a few are comparable to Ryu, who hangs with Akuma pretty well.

#4: I'm not going for impressiveness, just comparability.