Marshall Law vs Liu Kang

No weapons. Hands-to-hands fight.

A tie?

Law probably wins, unless Liu is able to PIS his way to victory like he does with Shang Tsung and what not.

Meh, Liu beats Law since Liu's more chinese than Law will ever be.

Also, he was able to hold his own and beat back (not sure on that) Shao Khan 😐

Again, PIS. He did the same to Shinnok as well.

Law's win against Baek was PIS uhuh

You also seem to be underestimating Liu a bit.

How so? 😖hifty:

Err, attributing every significant victory of his as PIS 😛?

& his level of Chinese-ness uhuh

How is beating a shape-shifting sorceror who can use Liu's own attacks, an emperor of Outworld, and a ex-Elder God not PIS? I'm not saying Liu's a wimp compared to Law or anything, but still.

Game protagonist clause, where the protagonist somehow wins over the antagonist, that's not necessarily PIS though is it. Meh, it is, at least with respect to Khan and Shinnok.
Liu's been shown to be consistently better than Shang though 😬

The Armageddon intro says otherwise. Tsung not only held his own, but knocked Liu off part of the pyramid. He had to use his little zombie chains to be able to do anything to him.

Meh, not sure about Armageddon, zombie Liu could be attributed as being weaker, or Shang having gotten stronger since then, either way, in their normal encounters, Liu's more than held his own every time.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Meh, not sure about Armageddon, zombie Liu could be attributed as being weaker, or Shang having gotten stronger since then

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
either way, in their normal encounters, Liu's more than held his own every time.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The thing about zombie Liu being weaker than usual is merely speculation, as it was never stated that he had gotten weaker.
And I doubt Shang had become stronger than normal at the time, seeing as how he (and Quan Chi) had recently got revived after Raiden did a self-destruct attack against Onaga in the Deception intro that destroyed them both. 😬

Then why couldn't Liu just do the same against him on that pyramid in the MKA intro?

Well, with regards to protagonists, most of them have that inner drive that motivates them to fight (crap I know, it still exists), zombie version had no such drive.

PIS 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Well, with regards to protagonists, most of them have that inner drive that motivates them to fight (crap I know, it still exists), zombie version had no such drive.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
PIS 😛

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Or alternatively, the zombie version did have it, but Tsung just had an even greater drive to get to the top of the pyramid and fight Blaze, especially after having gotten past Khan and Quan Chi on his way up there, right before he fought Liu near the top. Shang's previous defeats also probably motivated him to do better against his enemy there, which he did.

Or alternatively, the Zombie version did not have it, but Tsung had what you described first. I'm guessing that Tsung viewed his murder of Liu Kang as retribution, and thus he didn't need that drive. imo, his drive seemed more like what you first stated.

Besides, the zombie version, imo, seemed a little slower than the Liu that appeared in Deadly Alliance's opening.
Also, Tsung merely kicked him off the temple after sparring for a bit, it's a defeat by knock out imo, but if it had been a level arena like the one they fought in in DA, the fight would have lasted much longer.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Plot induced strength, or plot induced stupidity?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
CIS is more like it, not PIS, since Tsung never bothered to use his shape-shifting in their latest battle (Deadly Alliance, not Armageddon). By KMC rules (Comic Vs Forum, don't know if the same rules apply here), I agree, Tsung should win if he uses everything at his disposal wisely.

But yeah. Now we're on the same page, I guess.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Also, Tsung can only shape-shift into the people who's souls he has take iirc. The shifting into other MK fighters that he hasn't killed was just a gameplay feature.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
TSUNG SUCKS IMO, KTHXBAI uhuh 😛
Also, Liu's Flying Kick is not equal to somehow 😛.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Meh, sorry if you think I went over board with the opinion thing.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Ah, forgot about the CIS thing.

But yeah. Now we're on the same page, I guess.

Yeah...though in the games, it's pretty much Liu Kang > Shang 😛

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Not necessarily. I mean, I used to think the same at first, but he actually did transform into other characters whose souls he hadn't taken at least once, in the Deadly Alliance and Armageddon intros. In the DA opening, he was shown morphed as Kung Lao just before he confronted Liu on the Wu Shi Academy grounds (as he was walking behind him), and in the Armageddon intro, he turned into Ermac and used one of his telekinetic attacks to toss Quan Chi all the way off the pyramid. Like all the other combatants, Ermac was fighting someone else before that part, implying Tsung hadn't taken his soul (needless to say, Ermac is actually a collection of souls, but I digress).

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

But... he's been lame since he came back as a zombie. It's not Liu Kang anymore. It's freakin' Liu Lame! uhuh 😛

That's coz it's not really Liu Kang uhuh Shang's only cool now since he has Liu's soul 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah...though in the games, it's pretty much Liu Kang > Shang 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It's odd though, his powers/health is directly tied into his soul collecting ability...he shouldn't be able to transform into other characters, or copy them near perfectly, if not perfectly.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That's coz it's not really Liu Kang uhuh Shang's only cool now since he has Liu's soul 😛

Tsung also took the soul of Liu's ancestor, the Great Kung Lao (the original version, not the modern day one that you see in the games). Another reason he's cool. uhuh

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
You mean like gameplay-wise or story-wise?

True. 😬 Perhaps he's just able to copy most characters' forms (and their attacks) near perfectly by looking at them/observing their fighting skills. It's all sorcery, so ya never know I guess.

He actually lost it after Raiden suicided against Onaga, which destroyed him, Shang, and Quan (and in the process, freed all the other souls Shang captured before, but he was still brought back prior to Armageddon, like everyone else was). Liu wouldn't of come back as a zombie if Shang managed to keep his soul the entire time.

Tsung also took the soul of Liu's ancestor, the Great Kung Lao (the original version, not the modern day one that you see in the games). Another reason he's cool. uhuh

The latter...don't play much with Liu Kang so can't compare the two gameplay-wise.

Shang has so many things wrong about him. Pity the writers nerf him in most of his fights 😛 Quan Chi beating him, that PIS in your opinion?

Raiden just reanimated it after he (Raiden) reformed in Deception, Liu's soul never was in it when he reanimated it.

He needed Goro to beat Kung Lao (I'm aware of who the Great KL is), another reason he's not cool biscuits