Marshall Law vs Liu Kang

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The latter...don't play much with Liu Kang so can't compare the two gameplay-wise.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Shang has so many things wrong about him. Pity the writers nerf him in most of his fights 😛 Quan Chi beating him, that PIS in your opinion?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Raiden just reanimated it after he (Raiden) reformed in Deception, Liu's soul never was in it when he reanimated it.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He needed Goro to beat Kung Lao (I'm aware of who the Great KL is), another reason he's not cool biscuits

Come to think of it, I don't see why Shang didn't just morph into Goro (like he sometimes does in the very 1st MK game) against the Great Kung Lao.

So many inconsistencies with his powers...

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Ah.
I find myself to be best with Tsung and Scorpion (in basically any games that they're in), so meh.

Scorpion as well here, Sub-Zero & Raiden.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Pretty much, unless he has some kind of ability to morph into others and stuff too, but he didn't last I checked. For someone who was the first real MK villain, you'd think they'd do Tsung more justice than that.

He could, given that he's around the same level, if not higher, when it comes to sorcery.

Meh, they did do some justice with the DA arc, though those three fighting together should have brought down Onaga...doesn't make sense, since Shunjiko brought him down later (don't remember how though)

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Oh..

Yah...hence why Liu wasn't cool then uhuh

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
But even then, he's been said/known to be far more dangerous than Goro. uhuh If it were the opposite, I'm sure Goro would've overthrown him at some point and became grandmaster of the Mortal Kombat tournaments.

Come to think of it, I don't see why Shang didn't just morph into Goro (like he sometimes does in the very 1st MK game) against the Great Kung Lao.

So many inconsistencies with his powers...

Goro was a Prince of the Shokan, I think loyalty went a long way in his book at that time. Besides, he got to beat up people and feel good about it 😬

Too proud to have 4 arms uhuh...he also strikes me as the kind of person who's just happy enough if he gets the soul of a strong warrior, doesn't matter to him how that person was beaten.

True that.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Scorpion as well here, Sub-Zero & Raiden.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He could, given that he's around the same level, if not higher, when it comes to sorcery.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Meh, they did do some justice with the DA arc, though those three fighting together should have brought down Onaga...doesn't make sense, since Shunjiko brought him down later (don't remember how though)

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Goro was a Prince of the Shokan, I think loyalty went a long way in his book at that time. Besides, he got to beat up people and feel good about it 😬

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Too proud to have 4 arms uhuh...he also strikes me as the kind of person who's just happy enough if he gets the soul of a strong warrior, doesn't matter to him how that person was beaten.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Nice. 👆

Merci...that's thank you if you don't understand French.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Perhaps, but Quan Chi's never been shown to do it before. Him and Tsung are like bipolar opposites when it comes to sorcery. Each has something the other lacks (Tsung has morphing & soul stealing powers, as well as some control over fire/fireballs, while Quan has... green skulls and other stuff Shang doesn't). Part of why they made such a good team when they were together, up until Onaga came.

I guess, though originally, Soul stealing wasn't part of Shang's repertoire, he was cursed iirc. Quan Chi also does seem to command a green fire of sorts. Pity they didn't stay as a team after they were brought back.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Extreme resistence against magic and projectiles is just one of Onaga's natural abilities (along with being able to bring back others from the dead. Hence the whole "undefeatable army" thing). The 6 Kamidogu Shujinko gathered though made Onaga's body even more durable, which I suppose was how he survived the onslaught of Raiden, Shang, and Quan with little to no damage (the Kamidogu were said to have actually made him invulnerable), but in Shujinko's ending, he shattered the Kamidogu, thus weakening Onaga long enough for him to make the killing strike (the dragon king was rescued by Shinnok at the last second anyway though, thus returning with the other villains in Armageddon).

Ahh, yeah, I had forgotten that detail. Still, being able to have the chance to strike a killing blow against a character like Onaga, depowered or not, is kind of PIS.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah. Loyalty did go a long way in his book, but so did deception.

That was just once hmh...I think.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Merci...that's thank you if you don't understand French.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I guess, though originally, Soul stealing wasn't part of Shang's repertoire, he was cursed iirc. Quan Chi also does seem to command a green fire of sorts. Pity they didn't stay as a team after they were brought back.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ahh, yeah, I had forgotten that detail. Still, being able to have the chance to strike a killing blow against a character like Onaga, depowered or not, is kind of PIS.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That was just once hmh...I think.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Ah, I don't. Only know some spanish as my alt language.

Pity. Gracias then.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

The whole "curse" thing with Tsung never really made sense to me, but all right, I guess..
And yeah, I agree with the 2nd notion.

Remember it being mentioned in a game, so it must be true 😬.
Speaking of which, the Scorpion that appears in Deception, has he been amped (he was given powers to beat Onaga iirc)?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Indeed, and so is poisoning him, which was what Shao Kahn did to take over as emperor of Outworld (he used to be Onaga's servant or something before that). Kahn could never beat the dragon king in a straight fight if he tried of course, so he had to do somethin' like that.
I kinda hope there comes a time when Onaga canonically gets his revenge against Khan for doing that (something along the lines of what he did to Kahn in his Armageddon ending 😂 ).

Hehe, yeah Shao Kahn was to Onaga what Shang was to Kahn. Seems like Shang should have become emperor 😛.
I thought they would do a 're-boot' of the series after Armageddon?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

mmm

There was more than one time shock?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Remember it being mentioned in a game, so it must be true 😬.
Speaking of which, the Scorpion that appears in Deception, has he been amped (he was given powers to beat Onaga iirc)?

Likewise, Onaga had an unused Deception ending that was taken out of the final version of the game (I guess he was intended to be playable at first, but they decided against it or to just wait until Armageddon, where everyone would be in).

"My enemies had failed to prevent me from fusing all the weapons of the Elder Gods into one. I used this ultimate weapon to warp reality, merging the realms into a singular existence. Not satisfied with merely ruling the one realm, I took all that exists and merged it into myself. There can be only one consciousness. I am everything. I have become… the One Being."

(yeah. Those other figures are the Elder Gods, which resemble the MK dragon logo itself. Go figure)

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Hehe, yeah Shao Kahn was to Onaga what Shang was to Kahn. Seems like Shang should have become emperor 😛.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I thought they would do a 're-boot' of the series after Armageddon?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
There was more than one time shock?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g50tb_0Uz0Y

Liu Was clearly allot shitter as a Zombie, I mean compare how well he moves between the two and there's your answer.

Liu wins.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The thing with Scorpion having his powers amped by the Elder Gods (allowing him to beat Onaga) was just a non-canon ending in Deception.

Likewise, Onaga had an unused Deception ending that was taken out of the final version of the game (I guess he was intended to be playable at first, but they decided against it or to just wait until Armageddon, where everyone would be in).

"My enemies had failed to prevent me from fusing all the weapons of the Elder Gods into one. I used this ultimate weapon to warp reality, merging the realms into a singular existence. Not satisfied with merely ruling the one realm, I took all that exists and merged it into myself. There can be only one consciousness. I am everything. I have become… the One Being."

(yeah. Those other figures are the Elder Gods, which resemble the MK dragon logo itself. Go figure)

Ahh, I thought he got amped in the beginning. Still, would have been nice if his amp was canon.
He gains power to combat the elder gods?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Don't know if that was ever really true or not. Midway kinda went bankrupt after MKvsDC, so there's no telling now.. Unless MK is bought by some other company maybe.

Heh, the game was alright, though Dark Khan was crap, powerful, but crap. I never knew they went bankrupt.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Well, if you count what Goro did to his older brother in this old cartoon... 😂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g50tb_0Uz0Y

Doesn't count uhuh

I remember that movie/cartoon :rofl:...the 3D sequences look really corny now.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Come to think of it, I don't see why Shang didn't just morph into Goro (like he sometimes does in the very 1st MK game) against the Great Kung Lao.

So many inconsistencies with his powers...

Well he didn't meet Goro at that time so that may be why.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The thing with Scorpion having his powers amped by the Elder Gods (allowing him to beat Onaga) was just a non-canon ending in Deception.

Scorpion was amped by the Elder Gods. I think it was mentioned somewhere in Deception.

Originally posted by Kinkin
Liu Was clearly allot shitter as a Zombie, I mean compare how well he moves between the two and there's your answer.

Yeah. Liu gets some newfound strength out of nowhere against the final boss in that game. 😐

Originally posted by Kinkin
Liu wins.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ahh, I thought he got amped in the beginning. Still, would have been nice if his amp was canon.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He gains power to combat the elder gods?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Heh, the game was alright, though Dark Khan was crap, powerful, but crap. I never knew they went bankrupt.

As for Dark Khan, yeah, but I don't even feel like going there again to be honest. Just be glad he's not a canon character. Why would he be?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Doesn't count uhuh

I remember that movie/cartoon :rofl:...the 3D sequences look really corny now.

Originally posted by SmashBro
Well he didn't meet Goro at that time so that may be why.

Originally posted by SmashBro
Scorpion was amped by the Elder Gods. I think it was mentioned somewhere in Deception.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
And how does he beat Law in an even fight?

Flying kick 😐

313

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

I guess, but then what of Shujinko?

Are you referring to Shunjinko's victory over Scorpion (is that canon?) or what would happen to him if Scorpion beat Onaga?
If the latter...Scorpion was always more popular than Shunjinko, and Raiden can take care of him 😈

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Onaga does in his unused ending, yeah (and beats them). There was also a 2nd pic of that ending where he's seen merging the Kamidogu/realms with himself, but I can't seem to find it anywhere anymore for some reason.

No matter. It'll probably be up on youtube or something.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Indeed, sadly.

As for Dark Khan, yeah, but I don't even feel like going there again to be honest. Just be glad he's not a canon character. Why would he be?

Won't force you to. Fact that his power probably makes Onaga look like a joke (if he really does have the power of Darkseid + Shao Kahn combined)...if it were a DBZ fusion that brought them together...wow.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Though it was well-done for its time (early 90's shit).

Hence why I said 'looks corny NOW' 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Are you referring to Shunjinko's victory over Scorpion (is that canon?) or what would happen to him if Scorpion beat Onaga?

And yeah, it was canon.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
If the latter...Scorpion was always more popular than Shunjinko

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
and Raiden can take care of him 😈

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Won't force you to. Fact that his power probably makes Onaga look like a joke

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
(if he really does have the power of Darkseid + Shao Kahn combined)... if it were a DBZ fusion that brought them together...wow.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The first one.

And yeah, it was canon.

Huh, my respect for Shunjinko just went up.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah, but to be fair, he's only been in 2 games thus far, though I do like Scorpion better as well, but Shujinko's still probably my favorite good guy in the series. Scorpion's more of an anti-hero.

True, but even if he had been in the same number of games as Scorpion, he probably wouldn't be as popular. These days, older teens tend to prefer anti-heroic characters to good characters that have some sort of flaw or have made a mistake. (Shadow's popularity vs. Knuckles' being a good example. His gullibility has thrown off so many people. Pity)

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Only if he lets him. In Raiden's MKD ending, Shujinko didn't even attack him (or was hesitant) because he thought they were still on the same side, unaware of the recent corruption that tainted the Thunder God's soul after his suicide against Onaga.
If Shujinko hadn't hesitated, he would've easily defended himself against Raiden since he has the ability to absorb the combat essence of any fighter he encounters (Raiden's no exception. Shujinko even gets to use some of Raiden's special attacks as his own when playing as him, either by unlocking those said moves in the Krypt in Deception, or just selecting Shujinko off the bat in Armageddon).

Was a joke 😐...so...much...wasted...time. Pity 😛.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
His power makes anyone in Mortal Kombat (and most DC characters) look like a joke, but even that didn't make him a likable villain. Dark Khan basically had no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Just hearing his voice and terrible lines made me want to turn off the game.

For me, twas his design, doesn't resemble Kahn in the least, and not so much Darkseid either.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Not sure if he had the power of both characters combined or not, but Shao Kahn isn't that powerful at all compared to Darkseid technically (no one in MK is in a league with Darkseid), so the result of the fusion shouldn't of been as powerful as it turned out to be. Realistically, I imagine Darkseid fusing with Kahn would be comparable to Goku fusing with Hercule (or somethin' like that), not a Gotenks or Vegito-like fusion with 2 equally strong fighters forming together. The gap/difference between Darkseid's and Shao Kahn's strength is so big it's not even funny.

True, but wasn't Darkseid powered down though in that game? Or at least, wouldn't he have been powered down? If he was, it would make his power equal somewhat to Kahn's, and that fusion would be more powerful.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True, but even if he had been in the same number of games as Scorpion, he probably wouldn't be as popular. These days, older teens tend to prefer anti-heroic characters to good characters that have some sort of flaw or have made a mistake. (Shadow's popularity vs. Knuckles' being a good example. His gullibility has thrown off so many people. Pity)

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Was a joke 😐...so...much...wasted...time. Pity 😛.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
For me, twas his design, doesn't resemble Kahn in the least, and not so much Darkseid either.

Still, I agree that the design was pretty bad, or bland rather. Even looked like a Blaze knockoff (had the same body build as Blaze in Armageddon and what not).

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True, but wasn't Darkseid powered down though in that game?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Or at least, wouldn't he have been powered down?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
True that. I guess Shujinko wouldn't really out-popular Scorpion then, but I'm sure he would've been more liked than Liu Kang and Kung Lao at least, had he been in the same number of games for the most part. Not like there's anyone Liu and Lao have beaten that Shujinko can't.

Not arguing that Shunjiko could beat Liu, and especially Lao, since he could have taken out Onaga, even if he was depowered.
Liu's shouts did get on people's nerves though, I guess that's something that gets on people's nerves.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

It hardly sounded like a joke to me with the way you said it, but whatever. Then again, I have seen at least a couple users say what you said about Raiden and Shujinko and were serious about it 😐 (Shujinko is really underestimated for some reason).

Said it?
Perhaps using the 313 would have helped to convey my intentions with that particular statement. I apologize for the relative ambiguity.

(Does somewhat lack canon feats, when compared to other characters like Tsung & Raiden)

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Actually, it does resemble them if you observe close enough. His skeleton-like face is from Shao Kahn's mask, the skin color obviously came from Darkseid. The glowing from Dark Kahn's body is from Darkseid as well (because when you fight Darkseid, some damage will be shown on him by having a small chunk of skin missing and under that skin, there's an orange glow), and the spikes on the back are probably from the spikes Shao Kahn had on his shoulder and knee pads or whatever.
(only noticed all that because I had been beating the arcade mode with everyone, and saw Dark Khan a lot as a result)

Still, I agree that the design was pretty bad, or bland rather. Even looked like a Blaze knockoff (had the same body build as Blaze in Armageddon and what not).

True, but I'm doubtful most people will move their faces close enough to properly observe his features.

True, hopefully they won't revive him as a character again, however unlikely. Seeing him again (provided they used the same design and features etc.) would piss most fans off.

Wonder what the result would have been if it were Onaga & Darkseid, they seem like equals (not according to power, merely standing, like Raiden & Superman)

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

The whole thing with certain characters' powers increasing and decreasing was because of Dark Khan merging the 2 universes together. Darkseid was never "powered down" so to speak because he wasn't there at all until he and Kahn (as well as the 2 universes) became separate again.

Noted.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

I guess... I dunno. MKvsDC was just so full of plot holes and inconsistencies that you couldn't make sense out of most of it, as opposed to other MK games that had at least some form of rationality.

I guess they tried to imitate the idea of a game & comic universe, like the Street Fighter & Marvel cross-overs.

(We should probably have an MK Discussion thread. This has gone waaaaay off-topic)

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Not arguing that Shunjiko could beat Liu, and especially Lao, since he could have taken out Onaga, even if he was depowered.
Liu's shouts did get on people's nerves though, I guess that's something that gets on people's nerves.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Said it?
Perhaps using the 313 would have helped to convey my intentions with that particular statement. I apologize for the relative ambiguity.

(Does somewhat lack canon feats, when compared to other characters like Tsung & Raiden)

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True, hopefully they won't revive him as a character again, however unlikely. Seeing him again (provided they used the same design and features etc.) would piss most fans off.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Wonder what the result would have been if it were Onaga & Darkseid, they seem like equals (not according to power, merely standing, like Raiden & Superman)

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I guess they tried to imitate the idea of a game & comic universe, like the Street Fighter & Marvel cross-overs.

(We should probably have an MK Discussion thread. This has gone waaaaay off-topic)

As for that last part... sure?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Including mine, especially when a Liu player spams the bicycle kick or the flying side kick to kingdom come.

Yep. Perhaps he'll flying kick-spam cry his way to victory against Law 313

He still takes this though 😛

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yep, especially if he were to come back in an unexplained manner like most of the characters did when it came to Armageddon (they were just there for the sake of having every fighter from the previous games in one single roster), not that it would be possible for Dark Khan to come back anyway since the two that formed him were separated and imprisoned. 🙂

Yep. Perhaps if a sequel were made, they'll be just two separate characters with no 'fusion.'
A DC vs. fighting game should be made though, Flash should be a dream to control.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Yeah, I randomly had that thought awhile back ironically. I guess even it would be a better fusion than Dark Khan, though I'm not sure how it would be named exactly. heh

Onaseid? Daraga? Donagaseid?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Yeah, it was obvious they were going for a game of that kind of success.
I don't mind the existence/idea of a crossover being applied to MK. It's just the story and main villain of MKvsDC had so much wrong with it, I'd prefer the whole thing/script be scrapped and redone, if anything.

As for that last part... sure?

For some reason though, the control of the characters isn't as fine as it is in Tekken imo, it's more clunky like the Soul Series.

Meh, would probably just be me & you discussing at first, and that would soon end anyway. I guess not, unless there are other MK fans here.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yep. Perhaps he'll flying kick-spam cry his way to victory against Law 313

He still takes this though 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yep. Perhaps if a sequel were made, they'll be just two separate characters with no 'fusion.'
A DC vs. fighting game should be made though, Flash should be a dream to control.

But lol @ Flash's fatalities.
Sorry, heroic brutalities.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Onaseid? Daraga? Donagaseid?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
For some reason though, the control of the characters isn't as fine as it is in Tekken imo, it's more clunky like the Soul Series.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Meh, would probably just be me & you discussing at first, and that would soon end anyway. I guess not, unless there are other MK fans here.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
What an honerable way to win. 😐

Would still win though, if Law finds it as annoying as most people do >.<...forfeit.

PS: It's honorable.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

I was fine with the Flash in MKvsDC, except when fighting him online sometimes, but nothing Scorpion's Self Immolate and Hellfire Punch couldn't handle for the most part, though I wish he still had the fiery backflip kick in that game. Still pleased with him in MKvsDC otherwise as far as gameplay goes, like with Shang Tsung, except when it came to his toned down fatalities, which made the soul steal finisher look like a joke, as oppsed to the Deadly Alliance version of it.

But lol @ Flash's fatalities.
Sorry, heroic brutalities.

True, but if he were akin to how he is in comics, as in too fast for virtually anyone to touch, pretty much a winner there 😬
Didn't they tone down a lot of fatalities?

Especially Superman's, he freezes them, then smashes them, but it isn't a fatality?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Any of those sound better than Dark Khan, but I guess I'll go with the first one.

Dark Kahn sounds okay imo, be glad it wasn't Shaoseid >.<.
You can come up with names too 131

True.[/B][/QUOTE]

Speaking of which, have you played Tekken 6?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
There are, but some don't post as much anymore.

That blows. Ahh well perhaps in due time, there will be more posters.