MJJ vs EJ

Started by Avlon3 pages

Originally posted by Enyalus
****. This is tough.

If EJ destroys reality in one dimension or something, then teleports him there, he wins. But, that 'weakness' of MJJ's isn't common knowledge and wouldn't be known by EJ. I don't even know why he'd think about using it.

I'm gonna go MJJ because I like him more, and uh...*shrug* That's basically it.

Flip a coin.

I don't see why EJ wouldn't know...after all the guy knew about the Amalgalm universe...

Originally posted by Avlon
I don't see why EJ wouldn't know...after all the guy knew about the Amalgalm universe...

So did Kyle Rayner apparently. And maybe SS.

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Well, come on, it's Kyle.

Originally posted by Avlon
I don't see why EJ wouldn't know...after all the guy knew about the Amalgalm universe...
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Many people forget that Mxy is, for all intents and purposes, omniscient:

He just 'plays dumb' most of the time.

And though I'm not sure if Mxy's intelligence also transferred to Joker - as you said, he did make remarks regarding Amalgam (which is quite something.)

honest to god... Both were
Multiversal right?

I call tie cause at this level it's so much conjecture I can't even handle it.

Originally posted by Galan007
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Many people forget that Mxy is, for all intents and purposes, omniscient:

He just 'plays dumb' most of the time.

And though I'm not sure if Mxy's intelligence also transferred to Joker - as you said, he did make remarks regarding Amalgam (which is quite something.)

He actually mentioned alot more than just Amalgam..........and Joker has some amount of medium awareness even without any powers. ermm

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He actually mentioned alot more than just Amalgam..........and Joker has some amount of medium awareness even without any powers. ermm

Wait...that's the evidence for thinking he has knowledge of the Amalgam Universe? A general reference to the word amalgam? This after Mxy goes around creating amalgams of his own, with his own power? (Composite Superman, anyone?) The other events referenced there were DC events. In the same breath he mentions amalgam.

Tell me there's more than just that scant piece of evidence to go off of...

You guys DO know that him mentioning those things COULD just be an inside joke by some of the writers that you're reading too much into?

Yeah, I remembered Amalgam was mentioned somewhere - but that scan doesn't specifically allude to EJ talking about the Marvel/DC Amalgam universe.

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Then again, Joker only referenced major events. And there's only been one major event (concerning Amalgam characters) that has ever happened. *shrug*

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, I remembered Amalgam was mentioned somewhere - but nothing about that scan alludes to EJ talking specifically about the Marvel/DC Amalgam universe.

Okay. It just seems like if thats the only reference Joker makes to it (I've read EJ before, but don't have it and definitely don't remember specific lines such as that), then there's no reason for believing this statement:
Originally posted by Avlon
I don't see why EJ wouldn't know...after all the guy knew about the Amalgalm universe...

Kinda a large jump in logic.

Not at all. Joker has always shown some 4th wall awareness. Hell, he's actually commented that he was aware of the multiverse prior to it's being outed. He just........knew.

And enya, in case you aren't aware, ZERO HOUR AND COIE WERE RETCONNED. Nobody is supposed to know about them. Only a few people like Phantom Stranger, the New Gods, Spectre, AM, The Monitors and Psycho Pirate know. So.........how does Joker know?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And enya, in case you aren't aware, ZERO HOUR AND COIE WERE RETCONNED. Nobody is supposed to know about them. Only a few people like Phantom Stranger, the New Gods, Spectre, AM, The Monitors and Psycho Pirate know. So.........how does Joker know?

He's got Mxy's powers.

See, that was easy.

duryes Heh, got ya. 😄

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
duryes Heh, got ya. 😄

And I knew that not many know about those events (Supes does now, I think?)...but retconned? That's a strange way to phrase that. At least, that's not how I picture using the word 'retcon' lol.

The previous history of the multiverse they represented was retconned. The events happened, but when you have a multiversal reset, what happened before is retconned.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The previous history of the multiverse they represented was retconned. The events happened, but when you have a multiversal reset, what happened before is retconned.

Ah ha...okay...

So...Avlon can't use any of Superman's feats from '92 'cause it was pre ZH? 😄

Damn. That means no gas station explosion, either.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The previous history of the multiverse they represented was retconned. The events happened, but when you have a multiversal reset, what happened before is retconned.
That's somewhat the case with COIE. It doesn't necessarily hold true with ZH, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's somewhat the case with COIE. It doesn't necessarily hold true with ZH, though.

Point taken. Even IC didn't change that much, cept a few things like Wondy founding the JL.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, I remembered Amalgam was mentioned somewhere - but that scan doesn't specifically allude to EJ talking about the Marvel/DC Amalgam universe.

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Then again, Joker only referenced major events. And there's only been one major event (concerning Amalgam characters) that has ever happened. *shrug*

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MJJ is best off battling someone like Dominus vs EJ.

Both MJJ and Dominus were insanely powerful and yet lost to plot device characters (Fury) and (Superman) respectively.

MJJ because of feats.