Who can say, without a doubt, that I am not a dream?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Probably my favorite take on dream vs reality is probably an episode of Stargate SG-1 where Teal'c keeps switching between a hallucination (complete with all the classic cliches) and what the viewer knows is reality. In the end he finds out that both worlds are hallucinations, though one does happen to be based more in reality.

I'm remembering this X-Files eppisode where Moulder (?) is trapped in this fungus that is kilometers in size, which sends him into crazy hallucination world.

lol, has anyone seen requiem for a dream?

Originally posted by dadudemon
There's also the idea that we are 7 dimensional beings, being projected by a "source" onto a 4 dimensional existence...just the same as we cast shadows...so does this other "source" and we are the effect of this "source" casting a shadow through four dimensions from this 7 dimensional "source".

and to answer your question. NO1 can claim that. but i wud say that there isnt much of a difference in the present whether your a dream or real. you are you, i.e. what you FEAL to be you either way, and you and every1 around you is just as real no matter what. ofcourse, u wud have a probelm if this was YOUR dream.

Weird, I know. It's possible.

It's like The Matrix, on steroids.

more like dadudemon on acid. or datura!

A dream in whoes eye? Hmm Are we?

no1 can say without a doubt. but the question is, what is the difference between a dream and reality if every facet of what you consider REAL {including the existance of other self aware/concious individuals like yourself in your surrounding} exists in both either way. there are no differences between the two UNLESS it is YOU who is dreaming everything up, instead of you being a part of sum1 else's dream}

Maybe life is just a dream and the after life is reality.

Who gives a shit? The world you percieve to interact with is your reality,and as your consciousness is the only one you can guarantee exists, it's reality is the only reality.

however, one cannot know their own consciousness exists 😉

Originally posted by inimalist
however, one cannot know their own consciousness exists 😉

Yes they can.I'll show you.

"I exist"

That was easy.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yes they can.I'll show you.

"I exist"

That was easy.

lol, you haven't shown me anything

I have no evidence the computer I am sitting at is not a byproduct of some "brain-in-vat" type scenario, let alone that you are a thinking and acting individual.

Also, you haven't even began to address my point. Sure, one can affirm to themselves that they exist, but what is it that is doing the affirming, and what is it really that is being affirmed.

The conscious "you" does not have a discernible place in the brain, and can be broken down into millions of component parts. Consciousness may in fact by an illusion based upon the action of millions of interconnected cells. You, in fact, might not actually be you, but rather a community of single celled organisms reacting to incoming stimuli.

But i still have a sense of personal identity,and thus i exist.

More then the sum of my parts,so to speak.

Anyway,I did prove a point. I am certain i exist,and nothing you say will convince me otherwise.

lol, wow, guess I've been told 🙄

EDIT: And I'm serious for a minute: Why would you post on a discussion forum if you are clearly uninterested in discussing things?

Originally posted by inimalist
... And I'm serious for a minute: Why would you post on a discussion forum if you are clearly uninterested in discussing things?

That question is the 800 LB gorilla in the room. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That question is the 800 LB gorilla in the room. 😉

lol, I mean, I guess "who am I to question anyone", but I always figured people spent their time posting in and reading the forum because they wanted some back and forth over ideas.

Its disheartening to see someone just come back with "so there, I'm going to put my fingers in my ears"

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, I mean, I guess "who am I to question anyone", but I always figured people spent their time posting in and reading the forum because they wanted some back and forth over ideas.

Its disheartening to see someone just come back with "so there, I'm going to put my fingers in my ears"

It happens all the time on the religious forum... but I'm getting better. 😂

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It happens all the time on the religious forum... but I'm getting better. 😂

that was a part of the surprise, I guess. I'm sure we are all guilty of dismissing others' points from time to time, but the philosophy forum has low enough traffic that normally you can assume people would rather post huge amounts of crap back and forth than just want to make their point.

I blame the education system, and will now waste 8000 characters writing an essay specifically for forum consumption about the matter, and maybe get pissed about the issue in totally non-related threads, lol indeed!

Originally posted by inimalist
that was a part of the surprise, I guess. I'm sure we are all guilty of dismissing others' points from time to time, but the philosophy forum has low enough traffic that normally you can assume people would rather post huge amounts of crap back and forth than just want to make their point.

I blame the education system, and will now waste 8000 characters writing an essay specifically for forum consumption about the matter, and maybe get pissed about the issue in totally non-related threads, lol indeed!

I look forward to not reading it. jk. 😉

your lips say jk, but I know in your heart, it is tl:dr

Originally posted by inimalist
your lips say jk, but I know in your heart, it is tl:dr

Wow, I never knew what that (tl:dr) meant, so I looked it up. I'm going to have to use it now. 😄

with knowledge comes POWER

Originally posted by inimalist
with knowledge comes [b]POWER [/B]

With power comes corruption.