Who can say, without a doubt, that I am not a dream?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
With power comes corruption.

meh, corruption is really only relative to whichever position is privileged as good. In this case, ignorance apparently.

And where does the dark side fit into all this?

Originally posted by inimalist
meh, corruption is really only relative to whichever position is privileged as good. In this case, ignorance apparently.

That creates an interesting circle.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And where does the dark side fit into all this?

to push the analogy, education

unless you want to go with the veiled sexual reference about fitting the "dark" in somewhere...

Though, where was post-modernism in Star Wars?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That creates an interesting circle.

I don't see the circle...

evil people gain power and intelligence, good people stay dumb and weak?

Originally posted by inimalist
to push the analogy, education

unless you want to go with the veiled sexual reference about fitting the "dark" in somewhere...

Though, where was post-modernism in Star Wars?

I don't see the circle...

evil people gain power and intelligence, good people stay dumb and weak?

No. All people are both good and evil.

Power allows people to follow an evil path. This becomes apparent to the common people who then do not trust the powerful. In turn they begin to truth the people out of power, and then replace the corrupted people in power with the non-corrupt people. In time these new people become corrupt, and the cycle begins again.

Just look at the French revolution.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. All people are both good and evil.

Power allows people to follow an evil path. This becomes apparent to the common people who then do not trust the powerful. In turn they begin to truth the people out of power, and then replace the corrupted people in power with the non-corrupt people. In time these new people become corrupt, and the cycle begins again.

I get you

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Just look at the French revolution.

A power vacuum was filled by those most willing to do the most barbaric things?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. All people are both good and evil.

Power allows people to follow an evil path. This becomes apparent to the common people who then do not trust the powerful. In turn they begin to truth the people out of power, and then replace the corrupted people in power with the non-corrupt people. In time these new people become corrupt, and the cycle begins again.

Those without power can't be corrupt or evil?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Those without power can't be corrupt or evil?

thats my thought on his remark about the French revolution

all revolutions play out differently, but I suspect that it is corrupt people who are able to best exploit a power vacuum for their own ends.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Those without power can't be corrupt or evil?

I was playing with the ball I was given.

Originally posted by inimalist
meh, corruption is really only relative to whichever position is privileged as good. In this case, ignorance apparently.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, I mean, I guess "who am I to question anyone", but I always figured people spent their time posting in and reading the forum because they wanted some back and forth over ideas.

Its disheartening to see someone just come back with "so there, I'm going to put my fingers in my ears"

I didn't really see the back and forth we could have.I'm not going to sit here and try to argue what a consciosness is with you,because frankly the ignorance you've been discussing means i already have my own definition,and as my own personal philosophy shows I'll stick by my definition,rather then deal with a bunch of hypotheticals that would fail to dissuade me from belives,because they'd have to make me doubt my own consciousness,and thus all of existence,which frankly i feel is beyond you.

Have at it,if you want.

The French were forced to get back in sink with the rest of the world to get back in line with what works.

I just love the story of the French Revolution. They looked at the New World and tried it for themselves, but didn't do it quite right and it back fired on em. They became evil, blood thirsty and revelers. They changed the laws and even went so far as to change the calender because it was based on religion and the institutions that they hated., But they did make a point. Pinned up atrocities made a very good point.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I didn't really see the back and forth we could have.I'm not going to sit here and try to argue what a consciosness is with you,because frankly the ignorance you've been discussing means i already have my own definition,and as my own personal philosophy shows I'll stick by my definition,rather then deal with a bunch of hypotheticals that would fail to dissuade me from belives,because they'd have to make me doubt my own consciousness,and thus all of existence,which frankly i feel is beyond you.

Have at it,if you want.

but why would you post your ideas in a forum if you didn't want to discuss them?

EDIT:

also, http://www.us.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Philosophy/Mind/?view=usa&ci=9780192805850

Originally posted by inimalist
but why would you post your ideas in a forum if you didn't want to discuss them?

EDIT:

also, http://www.us.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Philosophy/Mind/?view=usa&ci=9780192805850

I never said i didn't want to discuss them.I just said i doubt you will be able to dissuade me from believing in them.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
"I exist"

"I exist" would be more correctly stated as "The illusion of 'I' exists."

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Originally posted by Mindship
"I" is an illusion, a symbolic construct for convenient reference in a society of like beings. Spend some time trying to quiet your mental chatter; you won't be able to because "I" has no substance therefore no real control (not that any of us do, please note). What you'll notice instead is a loosely organized collective of "agents" (for lack of a better word), each with its own agenda, will, inner dialogue and emotion-set, all together masquerading as a singular "I."

"I exist" would be more correctly stated as "The illusion of 'I' exists."

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Are you Wittgenstein ?

Originally posted by allofyousuckkk
We dream some really weird things, but how do I know that my life isn't one giant dream, thought up by a comatose patient?

G.E. Moore would disagree with you.

"I have hands" therefore external world skepticism is Bullshit etc.

I give you the magic of the "G.E. Moore shift"; as close as we will probably ever get to rejecting external world skepticism.

https://vlebb.leeds.ac.uk/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab_id=_2_1&url=%2Fwebapps%2Fblackboard%2Fexecute%2Flauncher%3Ftype%3DCourse%26id%3D_14430_1%26url%3D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_is_a_hand

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Are you Wittgenstein ?

Originally posted by Mindship
You mean reincarnated? I don't think so. I was kind of hoping for Hegel.

Don't know much about Hegel, other than the fact that his Idealism dominated Philosophy right up until G.E. Moore, Bertie Russel and co took it apart.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I never said i didn't want to discuss them.I just said i doubt you will be able to dissuade me from believing in them.

so you are admittedly close minded?

why do you assume I want to convince you of anything. I'm interested in the discussion. It would be really boring if everyone just agreed with me.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Don't know much about Hegel, other than the fact that his Idealism dominated Philosophy right up until G.E. Moore, Bertie Russel and co took it apart.