Given the amount of new money that's been printed...

Originally posted by Bicnarok
best go back to bartering, Ill give you some milk, you give me some bread. That way cutting these parasite banks out of the cycle

Karl's prediction come true - communism is happening.

I don't know if you're aware, but in Russia, mostly rural, there is a gentlemen who does trades of that nature on rather big scale around his villages - exchanging goods and services for other goods and services.

As far as I know, there is such thing happening north of Québec, but on a much lower scale.

I am not sure how well it works, but I am interested in finding out more about it.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
best go back to bartering, Ill give you some milk, you give me some bread. That way cutting these parasite banks out of the cycle

I hit you really hard with a club and keep both.

Also, bartering is extremely inconvienient in modern times and use of money is a form of bartering just done by proxy.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I hit you really hard with a club and keep both.

Don't forget that it gives you a third option in the form of raepz. 🙂

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Also, bartering is extremely inconvienient in modern times and use of money is a form of bartering just done by proxy.

Agreed. Only barter when you are both in a bartering position. (lulz, my puns.)

Money eliminates the requirement of a double coincidence of wants that is inherent in a barter system. It also acts as a 'store of value'. The only problem I see (after 5 seconds of thought) is that the banks have broken trust. There's nothing wrong with money, only with the hoarders of money.

Well, it also makes it much easier to tax. Which, from my point of view, sucks, though others tend to disagree. I think that's partly the motivation between bartering experiments, lil b referred to, though.

How would you propose a society pay for needs like police(the legal establishment as a whole, really) and firemen, if not taxes?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess his answer will boil down to "privatization".

Originally posted by Robtard
How would you propose a society pay for needs like police(the legal establishment as a whole, really) and firemen, if not taxes?

Either by voluntary taxation, which is basically the community getting together to pay for it.
Or individual contract.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Either by voluntary taxation, which is basically the community getting together to pay for it.
Or individual contract.

"Voluntary taxation" wouldn't work, maybe in an ideal community, but you're fully aware of greed and human nature. If anything, you end up with one guy in a jumpsuit with a broom handle as a weapon and a bucket of piss for fire-fighting.

Explain "individual contract"?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess his answer will boil down to "privatization".

Well, that would only breed rampant corruption, I believe we saw this happen in Robocop 2 (which sucked, compared to Robocop, which was awesome).

Originally posted by Robtard
"Voluntary taxation" wouldn't work, maybe in an ideal community, but you're fully aware of greed and human nature. If anything, you end up with one guy in a jumpsuit with a broom handle as a weapon and a bucket of piss for fire-fighting.

Explain "individual contract"?

It could work, I think. Greed or not. It's in no way my preferred system.

Individual contract is easy. You pay a company for them to protect you.

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, that would only breed rampant corruption, I believe we saw this happen in Robocop 2 (which sucked, compared to Robocop, which was awesome).

Originally posted by Bardock42
It could work, I think. Greed or not. It's in no way my preferred system.

Individual contract is easy. You pay a company for them to protect you.

In a utopia yes, not in reality.

Well, that's not very good either, as any person could then pay to get a free pass on crimes. Sure, that happens today to some extent, but your scenario if would be rampant.

Originally posted by Robtard
In a utopia yes, not in reality.

Well, that's not very good either, as any person could then pay to get a free pass on crimes. Sure, that happens today to some extent, but your scenario if would be rampant.

Well, at the moment the government has that, they can just go out imprison you, steal your money, even kill you. There's no real reason to assume a government is the only way to ensure security and wealth, especially since it itself is not doing the best of jobs.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh, Robocop 2, you are right, I was wrong, I saw the light, thank you...Frank Miller apparently 😐

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Originally posted by Robtard
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Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, at the moment the government has that, they can just go out imprison you, steal your money, even kill you. There's no real reason to assume a government is the only way to ensure security and wealth, especially since it itself is not doing the best of jobs.

That's part of the question, if not, then what would be better?

It's easy to pick something apart and point out the flaws, thinking of something that is both better and would actually work is far different.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nevermind, just making a joke about someone writing something fictional not having any bearing on reality. And apparently Frank Miller wrote Robocop 2.

You really didn't think I was serious about Robocop being a valid point?

Originally posted by Robtard
That's part of the question, if not, then what would be better?

It's easy to pick something apart and point out the flaws, thinking of something that is both better and would actually work is far different.

Either way, I am just not interested in having a long debate about my anarchists believe, in which I have to put up with "Just wouldn't work", rather than any thought out arguments. If you'd like to discuss the advantages and problems of different systems fair enough, I'd like to do that, but not such silliness again.

Originally posted by Robtard
You really didn't think I was serious about Robocop being a valid point?

No, the joke didn't need that though.