Deadpool vs Doctor Octopus

Originally posted by Serious Impact
Wow, I think I touched a nerve here. 🙂

First off, I'm sorry for the long winded posts. I tried to warn people when I joined this forum that I can get a bit wordy. However, I do it because I like to be thorough. I wish I could do it in less words, but, sadly, that's not my nature.

As for the argument, well, the link you left me to look at battlehammer didn't lead anywhere. I'll be happy to check out official sites with stats anytime. I do have the old role playing books, which list their stats. It lists Spidey as being more agile than Wolverine (Amazing, class 50 vs. Remarkable, class 30). Wolverine, however, is a better fighter (never debated this) with Incredible vs. Remarkable (class 40 vs. class 30).

I had another long winded explanation of my point, but decided to spare everyone the mind numbingly long posts. Besides, I'll be heading to Japan to see family in a couple days, so I won't have nearly the free time needed for my long winded remarks. I've enjoyed the debate.

Hand books are awful sources of information and sites are worses. I recomend using neither. Comic evidences>>>official hand books>>>sites

comics are primary sources, official hand books are like secondary sources, while sites are like explanations of secondary sources.

are you sure the link dident work? it worked for everyone elses try it again, if it does not work I will re post it

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Comic evidences>>>official hand books>>>sites

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Don't bother Battlehammer, the link works...

Oh and here are some more scans... right from Wolverine thread...

Hyper-reflexive speed.

Enhanced strength.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TalkativeLoons

Marvel antihero Deadpool is one of these; it's at least partially due to Medium Awareness and it's one of his combat tactics. Opponents get distracted because he never stops talking.

Just coming on quickly to say that I managed to get the link to work. I had to wait until I had access to my other computer before I could get it to work. My work computer only has Mozilla and I needed Internet Explorer for it to work.

I'd love to debate this further, but, as I'm sure you are well aware, there is already a thread that runs over 940 pages on this very subject. Since I'm about 6 years too late to get in on the ground floor of that thread, I'm certainly not going to start it all over again in this one.

What I would love someone to do, if they have the scans and the time, is to start a thread, either here, or where ever it would be appropriate, that is all about scans of Wolverine, Spider-man, and anyone else for that matter, doing feats that match, or one-up the others'. Like the "Character Ownage" thread, I'd take the time to go through it all. If the Spidey vs. Wolverine thread has already done this, it might be worth looking through after all. Still, I'd love to see it go beyond just Spidey and Wolverine. There are tons of other heroes that some amazing agility feats on panel and I'd love to see them. But I digress...

Now, back to the original topic, still going with Dead Pool for the win 8/10.

Let's be real here.

Doc Ock has 4 arms which are fast and weighs TONS!!

Sure, Deadpool is quite fast compared to an average gymnast, but he AIN'T Spider-Man.

The tentacles are too fast for him, and if Doc Ock is going all out, he rips him into pieces.

Deadpool has guns. Ok I know that. But Doc ain't no fool, he's going to try to inch his way until Deadpool's up close, and smash him into smithereens.
And KO = WIN.

Doc Ock 6/10.
With his Adamantium tents, Doc Ock 8/10.
He could just smother himself with one of his tentacles, rendering him fully bulletproof, and let the other 3 attack Deadpool.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Let's be real here.

Doc Ock has 4 arms which are fast and weighs TONS!!

Sure, Deadpool is quite fast compared to an average gymnast, but he AIN'T Spider-Man.

The tentacles are too fast for him, and if Doc Ock is going all out, he rips him into pieces.

Deadpool has guns. Ok I know that. But Doc ain't no fool, he's going to try to inch his way until Deadpool's up close, and smash him into smithereens.
And KO = WIN.

Doc Ock 6/10.
With his Adamantium tents, Doc Ock 8/10.
He could just smother himself with one of his tentacles, rendering him fully bulletproof, and let the other 3 attack Deadpool.

And probably not much more appearances of Doc Ock either.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm pretty sure you haven't read more than a couple Deadpool comics in your life.

And probably not much more appearances of Doc Ock either.

Anyways, we are following the KMC rules, which means the combatants have knowledge of their opponents equipment and fight to the best of their capabilities.

In a PIS-free environment, Doc Ock wins more often than not.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
You're right there.
I don't like Deadpool, I find his jokes annoying.

Anyways, we are following the KMC rules, which means the combatants have knowledge of their opponents equipment and fight to the best of their capabilities.

In a PIS-free environment, Doc Ock wins more often than not.

How will a PIS free environment give Doc Ock the win?

Originally posted by Mindset
How does Doc Ock having knowledge of what weapon Deadpool has change anything?

How will a PIS free environment give Doc Ock the win?

In a PIS-free environment, Deadpool won't have any cover.
Making him a more easy target for Doc Ock.

Anyways, are guns part of Deadpool's standard gear??
I know he has a sword.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
In a PIS-free environment, Deadpool won't have any cover.
Making him a more easy target for Doc Ock.

Anyways, are guns part of Deadpool's standard gear??
I know he has a sword.

Yes, guns are standard equipment for Deadpool.

Bump

Originally posted by jinzin
Probably has something to do with each character reproducing practically every speed feat the character has and directly pushing Spiderman on the defensive end of fights due to their sheer speed alone. 😐

I understand completely what your saying , however by power parameters neither should be as quick as Spiderman as they are in power sets below him!

Logan is enhanced for almost every attribute except durability and stamina whereas SM is superhuman and its been stated in the official OHOTMU master edition SM is superhuman for nearly all of them,

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6025/thpowersabilities.jpg

Charecters like cap are peak and daredevil athlete, how is it fair to super powered character to be matched by someone physically inferior to them.

while I am not trying to debunk the feats you speak of where SM feast have been matched, SM should by his power set be able to accomplish the feast you speak of more easily and clearly in encounters where less powered individual s have fought SM and have been getting equal footing when their powers should not allow it ,show that they have been amped unfairly whereas SM physical advantage remains unfairly the same or reduced to make the fight appeal more. This could however be due to Logan/cap purely being better fighter (i.e. Usain bolt-current fastest man (~run at 29mph) alive would be owned by Bruce lee)

Any instance where characters are shown being almost as good as someone who is ought to be better than them shows the writers ignorance of the character they are trying to depict above their ability.

oh yes as for spidey fighting dock ock , he shoudl be bale to knock him out by flicking him in the head... ive seen him do it to normal humans 😄

doc ock pretty much takes this unless hes got some REALLY fast guns and they shot faster than 90 feet per second moving tentacles. but majority goes to doc 8.5/10

Funny how people seem to think that having fast tentacles gives Doc Ock superhuman perception.

oh nvm you have a point there his tentacles may be fast but his eye sight and reflexes are normal so he probably will get shot up if he doesn't just wrap himself completely in the tentacles.

Gun range >>> Doc's tentacles.

Deadpool is an expert marksman, Doc's going down.
He's not deflecting 50 odd bullets with his tentacles...

what PIS?

Originally posted by d3str0ya10
doc ock pretty much takes this unless hes got some REALLY fast guns and they shot faster than 90 feet per second moving tentacles. but majority goes to doc 8.5/10

Originally posted by Serious Impact
Wow, I think I touched a nerve here. 🙂

First off, I'm sorry for the long winded posts. I tried to warn people when I joined this forum that I can get a bit wordy. However, I do it because I like to be thorough. I wish I could do it in less words, but, sadly, that's not my nature.

As for the argument, well, the link you left me to look at battlehammer didn't lead anywhere. I'll be happy to check out official sites with stats anytime. I do have the old role playing books, which list their stats. It lists Spidey as being more agile than Wolverine (Amazing, class 50 vs. Remarkable, class 30). Wolverine, however, is a better fighter (never debated this) with Incredible vs. Remarkable (class 40 vs. class 30).

I had another long winded explanation of my point, but decided to spare everyone the mind numbingly long posts. Besides, I'll be heading to Japan to see family in a couple days, so I won't have nearly the free time needed for my long winded remarks. I've enjoyed the debate.

If Wade is pissed off he'll just take his gun and shoot Ock in the face. That's take less than half a second and in that scenario Wade wins 15/10.

If he's not pissed off and in his normal mood he'd pull out a sword and cut Ock's head off. With just a sword (even concidering the speed of tentacles) Wade would win more times than not.