Originally posted by celestialdemon
We don't know for sure. You suggested that Odin wouldn't hold back if Asgard was being invaded. I'm just pointing out that he has in fact done exactly that before.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You keep claiming he could do so without gungir, but he didn't. You want to ignore the comic and tell me what could have happened.
Are you really this stubborn?
You think he needed Gungnir?
What, did they retcon something when I wasn't paying attention?
Thor can control the weather without Mjolnir, but the fact he uses it doesn't mean he can't. The case here is smilar except the fact that Odin is less dependent and all the power Gungnir unleashes comes directly from Odin himself and does not get amplified.
Where does it say, Odin cannot do what he did without Gungnir?
Odin's spear Gungnir ("The Spear of Heaven"😉 is an artifact made of a metal unique to the dimension of Asgard, uru. The three-pronged spear is of unknown origin, predating the current incarnation of Odin himself. At Odin's "birth" at the dawn of the current age of Asgardians, he found Gungnir on the Plains of Ida and used it to focus his power to fashion Asgard as it is known today. Gungnir possesses no known powers of its own; it seems to be a simple conduit for the channeling of personal energies. Like anything made of uru, the spear holds enchantments well. Odin has enchanted the spear to return to his hand when thrown, just as he enchanted his son Thor's uru hammer to do so.
From Immortalthor.net which iirc has the information from the marvel handbook.
Originally posted by Silent MasterYou weren't being fair. You said there was no evidence he was going all out. There was also no evidence he held back so why state anything.
So basically, the post I made was correct.
Originally posted by celestialdemonEvery situation is indeed different. It's not like it was written by the same writer anywho.
We don't know for sure. You suggested that Odin wouldn't hold back if Asgard was being invaded. I'm just pointing out that he has in fact done exactly that before.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIn the fight he wasn't doing any damage until gungir was brought into play. I mean come on. I am not making things up, but you seem steadfast in your stance to downplay Thanos and the actual fight.
Are you really this stubborn?You think he needed Gungnir?
What, did they retcon something when I wasn't paying attention?
Thor can control the weather without Mjolnir, but the fact he uses it doesn't mean he can't. The case here is smilar except the fact that Odin is less dependent and all the power Gungnir unleashes comes directly from Odin himself and does not get amplified.
Where does it say, Odin cannot do what he did without Gungnir?
Thor is more formidable with his hammer than as opposed to without it.
Odin didn't really budge Thanos until gungir was brought out for the millionth time.
Originally posted by quanchi112
In the fight he wasn't doing any damage until gungir was brought into play. I mean come on. I am not making things up, but you seem steadfast in your stance to downplay Thanos and the actual fight.Thor is more formidable with his hammer than as opposed to without it.
Odin didn't really budge Thanos until gungir was brought out for the millionth time.
I repeat to you for the last time.
Gungnir does not augment Odin's power. It simply channels it.
Did ever occur to you, that Odin simply started using more power when he pulled out Gungnir?
I mean, are you saying he couldn't accomplish what he did to Thanos without Gungnir?
Get it through you're thick skull for the last time. It does not augment his powers. Unless, I missed an issue, and something was retconned, Odin can do whatever he does with Gungnir, without it.
Thor is more formidable with Mjolnir, but Odiin is not more formidable with Gungnir, than he is without it. Simply nothing but a tool to channel his power.
Didn't budge him?
He backhanded him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI never said it did. It helps him channel and focus his energy. It obviously made a difference.
I repeat to you for the last time.Gungnir does not augment Odin's power. It simply channels it.
Did ever occur to you, that Odin simply started using more power when he pulled out Gungnir?
I mean, are you saying he couldn't accomplish what he did to Thanos without Gungnir?
Get it through you're thick skull for the last time. It does not augment his powers. Unless, I missed an issue, and something was retconned, Odin can do whatever he does with Gungnir, without it.
Thor is more formidable with Mjolnir, but Odiin is not more formidable with Gungnir, than he is without it. Simply nothing but a tool to channel his power.
Didn't budge him?
He backhanded him.
He backhand blasted him and he moved back a few inches. Gungir rocked him. You can't change what happened in the issue to justify what happened in your own world.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said it did. It helps him channel and focus his energy. It obviously made a difference.He backhand blasted him and he moved back a few inches. Gungir rocked him. You can't change what happened in the issue to justify what happened in your own world.
facepalm
Again, it simply channels his power. It does not augment it, meaning his power out put with Gungnir remains the same as his power out put without it.
Christ, can anyone else explain it to him?
As I recall, his back hand sent Thanos back.
I'm not changing anything. I'm simply stating you the facts. Gungnir does not augment his power, hence he can do anything without it in terms of power than he can do without it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYou seem quite frustrated. I said it channels his power and it was obviously more effective then prior to him just simply blasting.
facepalmAgain, it simply channels his power. It does not augment it, meaning his power out put with Gungnir remains the same as his power out put without it.
Christ, can anyone else explain it to him?
As I recall, his back hand sent Thanos back.
I'm not changing anything. I'm simply stating you the facts. Gungnir does not augment his power, hence he can do anything without it in terms of power than he can do without it.
Why in the hell do you think he brought it into play? Think about it.
Ps. I never said it increases his power.