Team Spidey vs X-men
During the Phoenix saga, Spiderman and pals team up to stop the apocalypse. Somehow they think the X-men are responsible.
Team Spider-man
1. Spider-man
2. New Goblin
3. Venom
4. Doc Ock
X-men
1. Cyclops
2. Wolverine
3. Iceman
4. Beast
5. Storm
6. Colossus
- Team Spidey are aware of all the X-men's abilities.
- Assume Doc Ock has his PIS durability.
- Battle in the city streets.
Between Cyclops and Iceman, Spider-Man is kept busy for the duration of the fight, eventually falling to either of them, or Wolverine Beast, both of whom I believe can fight pretty much evenly with him.
Storm can take out Venom and Ock from the sky, since the lightning would fry the symbiote, and Doc's tentacles are metal.
Does new Goblin get his gear and board? If he does, I say he gives Storm some trouble.
Colossus tips it all the way in the X-Men's favor. If Spider-Man can take beatings from every one of those characters, Colossus can take them with no problem. Plus he was shown to be durable enough to take bullets with nothing but annoyance(more at being shot and woken up then pain), and strong enough to knock several men explosively through a wall. And toss Wolverine, a 6 foot+, 300+ lb man high enough into the air, and with enough velocity to cut off a Sentinel's head. He also threw him a pretty far distance while they were fighting in the final battle.
You're ignoring some things.
Cyclops' and Iceman's attacks are relatively slow, Spider-man is going to be able to dodge that shit and move in for an attack (or web from afar) fairly easily. They also have human-level durability, one attack from any of the four and they're dead on incapacitated.
Venom (and Spider-man) has a long range attack, his webbing could snare Storm and drag her ass down for a raping, as he definitely has the edge in speed and reaction time; her attacks take time to summon. Also, the symbiote survived entry through Earth's atmosphere, not sure lighting is going to hurt it.
Goblin with gear destroys Storm.
Colossus is a possible ace in the hole, considering his invulnerability is like the comics(we don't know), they're not going going to be able to take him down, at least not easily. We also don't have his max strength and going from movie feats, the Spider-man team out classes him there by alot, even Doc Ock.
I didn't say they would hit him, I said they would keep him busy dodging while Beast and Logan squared up for an attack. That's what I meant at least.
And while the symbiote survived re-entry, wasn't that inside that protective rock? Because Goblin's bomb killed it and Brock.
He might have the edge in reaction time, and his webbing attack, but Storm can get pretty high, and her powers are extremely fast working. Plus she can generate electricity from her hands. I also think Logan could take Venom.
And I think it's deplorable how they did nothing with Colossus in the movies. But I think his durability is up to par with his comics, and is greater than at least Venom, Goblins, and Spidey's. Ock's tentacles are strong though. I still say he takes it and wails on his face.
Originally posted by KingD19
I didn't say they would hit him, I said they would keep him busy dodging while Beast and Logan squared up for an attack. That's what I meant at least.And while the symbiote survived re-entry, wasn't that inside that protective rock? Because Goblin's bomb killed it and Brock.
He might have the edge in reaction time, and his webbing attack, but Storm can get pretty high, and her powers are extremely fast working. Plus she can generate electricity from her hands. I also think Logan could take Venom.
And I think it's deplorable how they did nothing with Colossus in the movies. But I think his durability is up to par with his comics, and is greater than at least Venom, Goblins, and Spidey's. Ock's tentacles are strong though. I still say he takes it and wails on his face.
Not sure the others are going to stand by while Spider-man is set upon by four of the six.
It still survived extreme levels of heat, so the lightning may not do shit. I think the bomb had something to do with it's known weakness, sound?
I don't recall her ever attacking swiftly? When she fried Toad, she had to summon it and it took several seconds. She shot electricity from ehr hands, which movie?
Logan isn't going to be able to hit Venom, as he has Spider-man's power-set. He's going to get webbed to the point where he can't move from afar and then knocked out. Not sure how they'd kill him, if they have to kill.
Well yes, but we go by movie feats.
So I see four of the X-men team dead, Logan webbed on the floor cursing and the Spider-man members that survived (which might be all except Doc) pounding away on Colosus.
Beast can fight Spidey or Venom on even ground, going by his movie fights.
And the bomb wasn't sound based was it, I thought it was just one of the bombs Harry had with him, because Pete didn't tell him of the symbiotes weakness, and they were still enemies before he came to help him.
In 3, when she was fighting Callisto and the others outside Jean's house. She flew up in the air, then spun around, striking each of them with lightning when she hit. And when she fought Callisto again the island, she was fast enough to hit her while she was running, then when she crashed into the gate, she shot electricity from her hands into Callisto, killing her and heating her lip ring red hot.
And if a bullet to the forehead, plus getting hit by Juggernaut(Stronger than any of the Spidey team, by feats), didn't knock Logan out, nothing they can do will knock him out. I say if he get's webbed, his claws get him out, but he's still pretty fast and a good brawler.
Originally posted by KingD19
Beast can fight Spidey or Venom on even ground, going by his movie fights.And the bomb wasn't sound based was it, I thought it was just one of the bombs Harry had with him, because Pete didn't tell him of the symbiotes weakness, and they were still enemies before he came to help him.
In 3, when she was fighting Callisto and the others outside Jean's house. She flew up in the air, then spun around, striking each of them with lightning when she hit. And when she fought Callisto again the island, she was fast enough to hit her while she was running, then when she crashed into the gate, she shot electricity from her hands into Callisto, killing her and heating her lip ring red hot.
And if a bullet to the forehead, plus getting hit by Juggernaut(Stronger than any of the Spidey team, by feats), didn't knock Logan out, nothing they can do will knock him out. I say if he get's webbed, his claws get him out, but he's still pretty fast and a good brawler.
Not really, going by movie feats.
I was asking.
And it wasn't instantaneous, it takes her time to attack. Goblin could toss a bomb and it would kill on incap her. I'd have to watch 3 again, don't recall the electrical hand shit. That would be a good attack.
A bullet to the head did KO Wolverine for a bit. What was Juggernauts strongest strength feat? Breaking out of the concrete, questionable whether that's stronger than Spider-man train and trolley feats.
That webbing comes out fast and can cover a large area fairly quick, not sure his claws are going to keep up with the slashing.
Originally posted by KingD19
but Storm can get pretty high,
Duh. She's black and we know how black people love their ganja.
Here's reality.
Cyclops solos team Spiderman. Seriously.
Do you guys remember the training scene where Jean is throwing those plates at Cyclops really fast?
No, no matter how fast Spiderman is, Cyclops just has to look at Spiderman, Venom, Dock Ock, and Goblin.
Don't know if you really retracted your statements, even though that seals the deal right there, but I wrote this, and I want to post it.
Beast was soloing whole groups in little time, with no apparent effort. His strength, speed, and agility make him able to keep up with them in my opinion.
I was asking too.
Never said instant, I said fast. Plus, a bomb would only work if she stayed still ong enough for it to hit, she could just fly out of range, rather easily. Another example of her powers working quickly was in 2, they were on the Blackbird, and she summoned two tornadoes fairly fast.
By KO, did you mean when it him in the forehead, he fell and closed his eyes for a few seconds, then got back up?
Jugg’s feats include knocking Logan over as he ran past him. Throwing him through the ceiling of the house, and then kicking him from the living room, back out to the cul-de-sac with a tap. He also broke out of concrete, which should have also been embedded in his skin. Consider that he had no leverage or momentum when he broke out of the concrete either. He also effortlessly busted through several walls, and when he stepped on the armored transport, it crumpled under his feet. He did all of this on pure strength. Spidey’s train and trolley feats were impressive, but that was a mix of strength, and tensile strength of his webbing. I think Juggs could have stopped the train like Mr. Incredible, and held the trolley while standing on a solid surface, whereas Spidey couldn’t have done either of those without his webs.
Plus I doubt that they’re going to be able to stand still and web him up while a fight’s going on, and Logan did fight with Deathstrike and Silver Samurai (Game Tie-In) who are both extremely fast and well trained fighters.
And he's right, Cylcops beams travel pretty fast, and his aim is good, plus he could just take the visor off.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Here's reality.Cyclops solos team Spiderman. Seriously.
Do you guys remember the training scene where Jean is throwing those plates at Cyclops really fast?
No, no matter how fast Spiderman is, Cyclops just has to look at Spiderman, Venom, Dock Ock, and Goblin.
Na. Spider-sense plus Spider-agility and Spider-speed, he dodges that shit and simulaneously webs his ass. (see, I worked both the words "shit and "ass" into my response)
Then again, Spider-man could rely on his insane movie-durability and just tank that shit for giggles.
Insane durability? Goblin tossed him through a few walls, and gave him some jabs and kicks and he was on the verge of passing out.
If he almost got sliced by those shurikens, then he’s getting hit by Cyke’s blast, they travel much farther, and have a wider diameter, plus he can rapid fire by blinking. Also, Spidey more than likely won’t be looking directly at Cyke when he fires the beam, he has other problems. The X-Men work as a team, everyone on team Spidey is a solo artist.
(That was rather impressive how you used both shit and ass though.)
Don't be a retard. That scene you speak of, he quickly came back and destroyed Goblin. That is irrelevant to what else he took.
1) Tanked a bomb to the face = insane durability.
2) Hit by a train = insane durability.
3) Smashed by a gigantic Sandman = insane durability.
(That was to illustrate that Dadudemon is an ass and was spewing shit)
Storm makes this sort of one-sided. She can turn clear skies into several dozen tornadoes in about ten seconds, she's accurate enough with her lightning bolts to hit a wooden beam inside a roofed building without touching the guy standing on top of it, and she can channel electricity through her arms. Provided she has cover from two or three of her teammates - Cyclops, Iceman, and Colossus would make a ridiculous wall - she can pick off Doc Ock and Goblin herself. If she whips up strong winds, it'd be impossible for Spiderman and Venom to either swing to her or hit her from afar with their webs, and eventually they'd fall to bolts of lightning and Cyclops' optic blasts.
1. I wouldn't say tanked, I would say took it better than most, but tanked, no.
2. I just watched the train scene, he fell on it, but never got hit by it, and his strength wasn’t enough to stop it by just putting his foot down on the track, he needed like 20 plus webs and he barely did it. Plus he almost broke his leg and both arms in the process.
3. Sandman apparently didn’t hit that hard. Spidey was being held down on a car by Venom, Sandman wasn’t even denting the car beneath him.
Every one of those examples has left Spidey in a very bad way, and there’s need for name calling.
Originally posted by KingD19It had enough concussive force to throw him bodily through the air and through a brick wall, and yet it didn't even break his nose. Hell, it didn't even break skin.
1. I wouldn't say tanked, I would say took it better than most, but tanked, no.
So yeah, insane.
2. I just watched the train scene, he fell on it, but never got hit by it, and his strength wasn’t enough to stop it by just putting his foot down on the track, he needed like 20 plus webs and he barely did it. Plus he almost broke his leg and both arms in the process.God forbid he has to strain himself to stop a runaway elevator train.
3. Sandman apparently didn’t hit that hard. Spidey was being held down on a car by Venom, Sandman wasn’t even denting the car beneath him.It isn't a car, it's a three foot thick steel girder.
Originally posted by KingD19
1. I wouldn't say tanked, I would say took it better than most, but tanked, no.
2. I just watched the train scene, he fell on it, but never got hit by it, and his strength wasn’t enough to stop it by just putting his foot down on the track, he needed like 20 plus webs and he barely did it. Plus he almost broke his leg and both arms in the process.
3. Sandman apparently didn’t hit that hard. Spidey was being held down on a car by Venom, Sandman wasn’t even denting the car beneath him.Every one of those examples has left Spidey in a very bad way, and there’s need for name calling.
It blew up in his face, sent him flying and he was pretty much okay. Atkins of tanking then.
The directors cut, he get's smacked by the other train and is okay. Don't be a retard, the beams (ie not his leg) were breaking, that's why, and that would also be another testament to both his strength and durability.
If he had anchored the webs to the wall and the train, then sure; he didn't, it was pure brute force in him grabbing/holding and pure durability in him not being torn apart by the force centered on his body. Insane durability and insane levels of strength.
It was an adamantium car, obviously. Doesn't take away from the other points in regards to durability, which is insane. Edit: Seems it was a steel girder, which I'm pretty sure is more durable than a car, so yeah, another insane feat of durability by Spider-man.
He survived them all and was able to fight soon after, with the exception of the train feat, which just exhausted him. Didn't call you a retard, said don't act like one.