When Giant Sandman was pounding Spidey, his fist would've weighed several tonnes. Not to mention the force Sandman would've applied to smashing spidey.
It's well comparable to at least having a large bus dropped on you over and over again.
In terms of Damage soak, I would say:
Venom>>Spiderman>Goblin>Ock
. . .
Just to clarify, New Goblin has his standard weapons and equipment.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Still, Cyclops punches a hole straight through any of the characters just by looking at them.
Not really. Cyke has used it on people far less durable and it didn't "punch a hole".
Originally posted by dadudemon
Remove Cyclops from the match and this becomes more even.Remove wolverine from the other side and this is pretty even.
If I did that, the X-men would get slaughtered very quickly, except for Colossus.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Still, Cyclops punches a hole straight through any of the characters just by looking at them.Remove Cyclops from the match and this becomes more even.
Remove wolverine from the other side and this is pretty even.
Na, he didn't punch a hole through Sabretooth, he's not punching a hole through any of the other team, maybe Ock though.
Originally posted by Eminence^ I think I cover it there.
Storm makes this sort of one-sided. She can turn clear skies into several dozen tornadoes in about ten seconds, she's accurate enough with her lightning bolts to hit a wooden beam inside a roofed building without touching the guy standing on top of it, and she can channel electricity through her arms. Provided she has cover from two or three of her teammates - Cyclops, Iceman, and Colossus would make a ridiculous wall - she can pick off Doc Ock and Goblin herself. If she whips up strong winds, it'd be impossible for Spiderman and Venom to either swing to her or hit her from afar with their webs, and eventually they'd fall to bolts of lightning and Cyclops' optic blasts.
Edit: Apparently I didn't say it there, but obviously she needs to stay grounded. Goblin would tear her a new one in the sky.
Originally posted by Robtard
Na, he didn't punch a hole through Sabretooth, he's not punching a hole through any of the other team, maybe Ock though.
Healing factor and the concentration of the beam. Cyke can change the intensity and the spread of the beam with his visor.
Unless the thread starter states it, Cyke is playing to kill, not disable a rapid healer like Sabretooth. (Sabretooth has same healing ability as Wolvie.)
This fight is over the second it starts. Cyke still rapes everyone in the film with no effort. Just *pop* *pop* *pop* *pop* fries are done.
Originally posted by Eminence
^ I think I cover it there.Edit: Apparently I didn't say it there, but obviously she needs to stay grounded. Goblin would tear her a new one in the sky.
Na.
His board can hover and move mere inches from the ground, so if she's getting her ass torn in the sky by him, she's getting her ass torn on the ground.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Healing factor and the concentration of the beam. Cyke can change the intensity and the spread of the beam with his visor.Unless the thread starter states it, Cyke is playing to kill, not disable a rapid healer like Sabretooth. (Sabretooth has same healing ability as Wolvie.)
This fight is over the second it starts. Cyke still rapes everyone in the film with no effort. Just *pop* *pop* *pop* *pop* fries are done.
Healing factor doesn't make his flesh "punch hole" proof, I'd let him heal/recover after he got swiss cheesed.
He was trying to kill Jean while under mind contro and used a full blast, yet he missed and he definitely didn't obliterate that Humvee, only sent it flying. By movie feats, Spider-man (and others) is far more durable than a Humvee.
So, no. First he'd have to tag them, and factoring in the Spider-sense, speed, agility and reaction-time, he'd have a hard time doing that to Spider-man and Venom. Let alone actually taking them down with his blast.
Originally posted by RobtardHence, Colossus, Cyclops, and Iceman. Like I said, Storm only needs a few seconds to pull several dozen tornadoes out of thin air, so whipping up heavy winds and bringing down lightning shouldn't be a big deal. Once the wind is up, Team Spiderman is basically crippled; Goblin, Spiderman, and Venom will pretty much be limited to ground-level movement along with Ock, and assuming Storm can't nail all of them with bolts of lightning (she can), Iceman can help her run support - which will be a hell of a lot easier if they can't swing/fly away without getting thrown into buildings - and then the rest of the X-Men clean house.
Na.His board can hover and move mere inches from the ground, so if she's getting her ass torn in the sky by him, she's getting her ass torn on the ground.
Originally posted by Eminence
Hence, Colossus, Cyclops, and Iceman. Like I said, Storm only needs a few seconds to pull several dozen tornadoes out of thin air, so whipping up heavy winds and bringing down lightning shouldn't be a big deal. Once the wind is up, Team Spiderman is basically crippled; Goblin, Spiderman, and Venom will pretty much be limited to ground-level movement along with Ock, and assuming Storm can't nail all of them with bolts of lightning (she can), Iceman can help her run support - which will be a hell of a lot easier if they can't swing/fly away without getting thrown into buildings - and then the rest of the X-Men clean house.
They're going to have to be micro-tornadoes, otherwise she's going to **** up her own team in the process.
So na, that isn't a tactic she'd use. She'd also most likely go airborn, being Storm and all.
Also of note, team Spidey knows the X-men's abilities, probably to make up for the fact thay they're only four. So Storm is getting a bomb, or blades up her [great and tight] ass first.
Originally posted by RobtardI didn't say she'd make the tornadoes here, I was pointing how little time it takes for her to do it. The level of control she has lets her throw Wolverine up onto the Statue of Liberty without blowing away Cyclops or Jean, so it's perfectly reasonable that she could set gale force winds a couple stories into the air while keeping the ground level relatively stable.
They're going to have to be micro-tornadoes, otherwise she's going to **** up her own team in the process.
So na, that isn't a tactic she'd use. She'd also most likely go airborn, being Storm and all.That'd be PIS or something.
Also of note, team Spidey knows the X-men's abilities, probably to make up for the fact thay they're only four. So Storm is getting a bomb, or blades up her [great and tight] ass first.Cyclops could probably shoot that out of the air. And if he didn't, the bomb would get blown away by the winds and explode somewhere off to the side.
Originally posted by Eminence
I didn't say she'd make the tornadoes here, I was pointing how little time it takes for her to do it. The level of control she has lets her throw Wolverine up onto the Statue of Liberty without blowing away Cyclops or Jean, so it's perfectly reasonable that she could set gale force winds a couple stories into the air while keeping the ground level relatively stable.
Actually her control is not as great as you say.
1. She told everyone else to hang on to something before she summoned the wind.
2. Jean Grey was stabilising him.
So if Storm is going to use a wind attack. All the other melee players would have to stay back.
Also, this is in the city streets, where Spidey and Venom are in their element. They can easily wall crawl (or go on the roof) to get to the X-men.
Hmm, I'm thinking if I used Norman instead of Harry, Spidey team would get a much more decisive win.
Again, if Harry tools her in the air(as you said), he can tool her while hovering a few inches off the ground.
Her using her power of flight would be PIS, considering she doesn't know who she's facing? Na.
If he's not to busy trying avoid webbings, tentacles and possibly over weapons, as Harry has and can throw more than one thing.
In short, the movie X-men are outclassed here. Xavier would turn the tide, easily too.
Originally posted by PlacidityWhile she threw the 300 pound guy straight up into the air and onto the Statue of Liberty. If the wind had been anywhere near as strong at her level as it was around Logan, Cyclops and Jean would've been blown away.
Actually her control is not as great as you say.1. She told everyone else to hang on to something before she summoned the wind.
So if Storm is going to use a wind attack. All the other melee players would have to stay back.I said she'd have the wind going up high, not at ground level. It'd be more than breezy at the ground, granted, but when three of your teammates are Wolverine, Colossus, and Beast, and the other two can freeze people to death or hit with them optic blasts strong enough to blow holes through concrete, I think she'd manage.
And I said three times that her lightning would be her main weapon here. She's accurate enough with it to nail Sabretooth inside a building while he's choking her, and break the wooden beam Nightcrawler was standing on without touching him while inside a church. It helps that she can channel it through her hands, too.
Also, this is in the city streets, where Spidey and Venom are in their element. They can easily wall crawl (or go on the roof) to get to the X-men.If there are high winds up, that'll take much longer, and they'll fall to either lightning or optic blasts.
Hmm, I'm thinking if I used Norman instead of Harry, Spidey team would get a much more decisive win.Why would that be better? Norman, despite having thrown Parker through a stone building and blown a grenade up in his face beforehand, still got beaten to a pulp in under a minute. Harry fared significantly better, IIRC.
Originally posted by RobtardAnd, as I said, that's why Colossus, Cyclops, and Iceman would be protecting her.
Again, if Harry tools her in the air(as you said), he can tool her while hovering a few inches off the ground.
Her using her power of flight would be PIS, considering she doesn't know who she's facing? Na.Then it'd be CIS. I thought the idea is that we decide how a character can use his/her abilities to their fullest extent, not "what would [he/she] do?"
If he's not to busy trying avoid webbings, tentacles and possibly over weapons, as Harry has and can throw more than one thing.You're acting like this is Storm and Cyclops vs. all. Iceman will freeze anyone who comes anyone near him - he not only freezes a flaming car thrown at him by Magneto and Pyro, he stops it in the air and it falls to the ground in front of him - and I doubt anything Team Spiderman can do will hurt Colossus. Then there's Wolverine and Beast, who are threats in close combat to Goblin and Ock.