Originally posted by Robtard
I'm almost certain I was doing it for a laugh.But if you insist, Hitler had plenty of opposition, and not just the odd and failed anti-Nazi group in Germany. The Blomberg-Fritsch scandal was Hitler's move against the German army's opposition of him/Nazi Party wanting complete control.
Opposition and open mockery are hardly the same thing.
Anyone with little history knows all dictators had opposition. Regardless how big or small.
Originally posted by Bardock42
How does he factor in News organization that criticize the government? I mean, there's always both sides, at least in the US and to a lesser extent Germany (the only places I really know a bit about).
Curran uses the British model, by the way.
You should get hold of the book since there are number of issues covered, but one of the main points is that the true censorship lies in that newspapers have not yet attained the complete financial freedom, but depend on different parties and/or individuals to finance them.
Curran does not say that there is one government controlling everything - on the contrary - parties control certain news broadcasts and newspapers, depending on funding provided for each.
So in that retrospect, they are unofficial PR for the parties that fund them...if that makes sense.
It is a really interesting book - if you like that kind of thing. You may not agree with it, but it is a great read. I'd recommend it. 👆
Originally posted by Bardock42
Why? I am not offended by someone implying I have relatives that might have opposed Hitler. Well, I am not offended either way, but it seems better than having those that followed him blindly. 😛
Yeah, you need have thick skin in situations concerning Hitler. I'm sure that will follow for few hunred years yet.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
So, why isn't the Pravda listed as one of the bullshit venues?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh please, Bush failed at dictatorship.
But Lenin didn't?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I took ideas from few countries. 😊
But you seem to have taken them from failed, third-world countries that have repatedly failed on the world stage to represent every failed government model. What you really do is promote the failure of a given system on the world stage, rather than considering why it failed on that stage. You're blaming the stage and not the country. We all appreciate what Marx wrote, while totally abandoning it in favor of what it was professed to be by the "winners" of the war, but we've all seen that those two dynamics are failures. You blast any and everything America does as brainwashed stupidity, but fail to recognize that very aspect in your own opinon. Russia is not a third world country, it only chooses to be one. It chooses to be one because people like kasparov are mocked and held down by the same system you support. America's system has failed it's people just as much as Lenin's model has failed the Russians.
Look at the reporting of the events in the middle east as an example. People in the US are force fed the stupidity that the cold war is over. But what is happening now in the middle east is the last front of the cold war. We professed victory when the Berlin Wall fell and the Pope finally folded completely in half and another was elected, but the cold war is far from over. It was a victory in propoganda only. The US government told it's people that we had won a war and secured a victory, but the rest of the world didn't get to enjoy the reality of that proclaimation. The cold war never ended and everything we're dealing with now are the side effects of that conflict. We left the middle east in a state of premature ejaculation and the two sides unresolved. We built the middle east out of the segments of it's own past, and in our own image. Sadly, it wasn't the image they wanted. It's come back to bite us in our ass.
Why shouldn't the Russian people be pissed? They have been the negotiable variant of their rulers for the last 100 years. But their position is no less a result of American actions than they are of Russian actions. Don't hate America for their lot in life, any more than you should for being left in that position by your own leaders. America hasn't robbed the USSR of their rights and position. They've been robbed of those rights by their own leaders. And these are leadres you are now professing to support. Don't blame me for what happens in Russia until you've managed to accept responsability for it yourself.