Juyo vs Makashi - Maul vs Dooku (lightsaber only)

Darth Maul mastered Juyo and teras kasi martial arts
Dooku mastered Makashi and the Jedi martial arts

In a straight lightsaber & hand-to-hand fight who wins?

Dooku wins. He survives a lightsaber battle with Yoda. Maul gets trumped by a padawan...

Dooku wins the duel, Maul does unholy things to him in unarmed combat (assuming no offensive Force powers).

Dooku wins, although it won't be easy. Maul's style and physicality is quite well-suited to combat Dooku, although he's hardly on par with Anakin on this department. Though he is far more technically skilled...

Originally posted by ares834
Dooku wins. He survives a lightsaber battle with Yoda. Maul gets trumped by a padawan...

Originally posted by ares834
Dooku wins. He survives a lightsaber battle with Yoda. Maul gets trumped by a padawan...

Obi Wan tapped into his anger which Maul Did not expect therefore throwing him offguard not to mention he had spent the last what 6 minutes dueling Jinn who was on par with Windu and a Master of Ataru and in an enclosd space and on a thin ledg thre was not much space to exploit Ataru to it's best.

Expansion of Mr. Anderson's sigh.

Dooku ran since he knew he had no chance to defeat Yoda in the hanger. He survived because he ran before Yoda overwhelmed him.

Obi Wan tapped into his anger which Maul Did not expect therefore throwing him offguard not to mntion he had spent the last what 6 minutes dueling Jinn who was on par with Windu and a Master of Ataru.

I'm in favour yes, Dooku would win but it's not going to be as easy as you make it out to be.

Originally posted by ares834
Show me a quote where Obi-Wan tapped into his anger. Show me. Dooku manhandled Obi-Wan with the saber in AotC. Yet Maul couldn't even defeat Obi as a padawan. Also Dooku was known to defeat Mace.

OK from the jedi vs sith guide, this is from Obiwan's POV.

When the last door lifted,I gave in to my anger as I charged the dark warrior. I absolutely wanted to destroy him. He used my anger against me,actually fed off my fury,gaining strength as I exhausted my own. I lost my lightsaber and he had me.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
OK from the jedi vs sith guide, this is from Obiwan's POV.

When the last door lifted,I gave in to my anger as I charged the dark warrior. I absolutely wanted to destroy him. He used my anger against me,actually fed off my fury,gaining strength as I exhausted my own. I lost my lightsaber and he had me.

Dooku ran since he knew he had no chance to defeat Yoda in the hanger. He survived because he ran before Yoda overwhelmed him.

This is one hell of an unsupported speculation. He had half of the Clone Army invading his planet, and no goons to throw up against them. Fighting Yoda showed no clear victor, and likely could have gone on for much longer (In Rendezvous, it does go on longer) so Dooku concluded the match because he couldn't risk being captured by the Republic just to appease his ego and destroy Yoda.

But I can't expect SW fans to really subscribe to that kind of logic. He ran, therefore he's inferior, circumstances be damned.

Obi Wan tapped into his anger which Maul Did not expect therefore throwing him offguard not to mention he had spent the last what 6 minutes dueling Jinn who was on par with Windu and a Master of Ataru and in an enclosd space and on a thin ledg thre was not much space to exploit Ataru to it's best.

1. Obi-Wan did tap his anger, and from a movie-centric perspective (read: highest canon), it appeared his fury was sufficient to floor Maul. Of course, I personally think Maul was just being careless. He demonstrates a considerable lack of respect for his adversary, which is why he died.

2. TPM Mace is almost as nebulous as full-potential Anakin Skywalker. You can't accurately use him as a bar any more than you could call every third EU Jedi Master a "lightsaber prodigy". After awhile, the comparisons end up leading you in circles with no clear ground under you. Mace as a Jedi is amazing, perhaps one of the best Jedi in the era. But ten years prior to the Clone Wars, there's no evidence of his feats in that time frame, last I checked. And the single quote that Qui-Gon is Mace's equal always sounded bogus to me. Mace Windu never spun in a circle to land a single blow against an armed opponent in the series. That's just lame.

3. Fightsaber says Qui-Gon Jinn is a practitioner of Ataru, and that Yoda is a master. The differences in their styles is pretty apparent. Yoda's offense is so complete, he does not have to worry about openings like Qui-Gon did.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
[B]This is one hell of an unsupported speculation. He had half of the Clone Army invading his planet, and no goons to throw up against them. Fighting Yoda showed no clear victor, and likely could have gone on for much longer (In Rendezvous, it does go on longer) so Dooku concluded the match because he couldn't risk being captured by the Republic just to appease his ego and destroy Yoda.

But I can't expect SW fans to really subscribe to that kind of logic. He ran, therefore he's inferior, circumstances be damned.

1. Obi-Wan did tap his anger, and from a movie-centric perspective (read: highest canon), it appeared his fury was sufficient to floor Maul. Of course, I personally think Maul was just being careless. He demonstrates a considerable lack of respect for his adversary, which is why he died.

2. TPM Mace is almost as nebulous as full-potential Anakin Skywalker. You can't accurately use him as a bar any more than you could call every third EU Jedi Master a "lightsaber prodigy". After awhile, the comparisons end up leading you in circles with no clear ground under you. Mace as a Jedi is amazing, perhaps one of the best Jedi in the era. But ten years prior to the Clone Wars, there's no evidence of his feats in that time frame, last I checked. And the single quote that Qui-Gon is Mace's equal always sounded bogus to me. Mace Windu never spun in a circle to land a single blow against an armed opponent in the series. That's just lame.

Originally posted by ares834
Maul gets trumped by a padawan...

Um, no. Watch the movie and you'll see Kenobi get pushed into a pit. He prevailed only because Maul stopped to gloat, NOT because Kenobi was a better fighter.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Um, no. Watch the movie and you'll see Kenobi get pushed into a pit. He prevailed only because Maul stopped to gloat, NOT because Kenobi was a better fighter.

Originally posted by ares834
Half the fight is in the brain. Obi-Wan beat him. It's not Kenobi's falt his enemy is about as dumb as they come.

It's also not Kenobi's fault that Maul was a better fighter than him. He was just lucky there was a pit for him to be pushed into, thus lulling Maul into a false sense of security.

If they had fought in say, an arena (or just anywhere that had no environmental hazards) Kenobi would have died.

Yeah. Maul trounced two of the best duelists in the Jedi order at that time. Kenobi would have died no matter what without the pit.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
It's also not Kenobi's fault that Maul was a better fighter than him. He was just lucky there was a pit for him to be pushed into, thus lulling Maul into a false sense of security.

If they had fought in say, an arena (or just anywhere that had no environmental hazards) Kenobi would have died.

Your last statement is completley unfounded and irrelivent. Regardless, Obi-Wan beat Maul.

Originally posted by ares834
Regardless, Obi-Wan beat Maul.

If they had fought in say, an arena (or just anywhere that had no environmental hazards) Kenobi would have died.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
....Doesn't change the fact that he was very clearly the lesser of the two.

Originally posted by ares834
Your last statement is completley unfounded and irrelivent.

No, it's simple truth.

And how exactly is it 'irrelevant' when it elaborates on part of the reason Kenobi 'beat' Maul (environmental factors)?

Originally posted by ares834
Regardless, Obi-Wan beat Maul.

But not because he was a more skilled fighter.