Originally posted by DUOLC OLLOPAMaybe you just forgot to type some more in there, but what you quoted from the novel describes Mace theorizing that Dooku taught Grievous Makashi. That doesn't translate to "Dooku only knew Makashi", just "Dooku taught Grievous Makashi". I can see how you can take it as such, though, so no big. You must have forgotten more of the passage is all.
Here, Mace Windu, a close friend and sparring partner of the Count, a Jedi of quite some renown, only acknowledges Count Dooku as being in a position to teach the General a single form: Makashi. Given their relationship and the Count's own renown within the Order, that he would be of such a belief would [b]almost conclusively tell you that Dooku had only ever become truly proficient with Makashi. That being said, Dooku is never once stated to have been proficient in anything but Makashi, and that passage all but confirms the idea. [/B]
Originally posted by DUOLC OLLOPA
Prove it. Direct me to where it was apparently shown, and then prove that I saw it. Do it.
1. Prove that Dooku's among the "high tier".
2. Please explain how the number of forms you've mastered no longer acts as a qualifier simply because you're dealing with the "high tier".
Support this without committing a Fallacy of Division, and do it now.
Yeah, all the quotes naming Dooku as an incredible duelist and one of the finest the order'd ever had means nothing
Prove it.
1. Prove that Dooku taught Grievous all seven forms.
2. Say "No!" to Red Herrings.
Prove it.
Prove that he honed Makashi to its highest level.
It wouldn't definitively mean that, sure, but it would make it far more likely.
As I've already explained to you in the past, specialising in one form is all well and good, but at a certain point, diminishing returns (google it) start to come into play. Further improvements see smaller and smaller returns. At a certain point, where the number of moves and sequences you know, and how fluidly you can perform them are so high, further improvements adds proportionally less and less to how skilled it makes you. At which point, having a more versatile, complete overall style adds far more to your overall skill. Especially in Maul's case; we know -- undeniably -- that he's mastered at least two forms to high levels, and we know that his overall expertise is far more complete and versatile than Dooku's.
QED, brat.
Technically, technically, you can't even definitively state that Dooku's mastered Makashi to a higher level than Maul's forms, you certainly can't definitively state that he mastered it to a much higher level, and even if that were the case, what that actually means to his overall level of ability is severely undermined using the concept of diminishing returns. Whereby the versatility and range of your form means far more on paper.
The most technically demanding form, given how it requires high level mastery of multiple other forms. The moves and sequences are clearly far more complex and difficult to perform than the others given what's demanded, and it's clearly a far more complete and versatile form than the others because of that.
Your statement would imply that they were mutually exclusive, when in fact the former in part makes up the latter. Perhaps you should think about what these terms actually mean before using them.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
We know full well Dooku is familiar in all the forms in combat and has mastered Makashi to the highest degree. To simply write Maul as the better because he might know more forms is short sighted stupidity.
Thank you Lightsnake. I need not expound any further at the moment.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
So, why wasn't Dooku steamrolled by Vaapad master Sora Bulq? No, it means you're an idiot with no grasp on how dueling works
I'd just like to point out that Sora Bulq was NOT a Vaapad Master. HE was mastered BY Vaapad.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Dealt with already and countless times in the past.
What's next...Yoda sucks, he only knew Ataru! When you've perfected one style, you can easily take on the enemy with it no matter how many forms he knows. Speed, skill, knowledge?
True. Quality over quantity after all.
The mastered by Vaapad thing is splitting hairs a bit...Bulq was mastered by it in that he fell to the Dark Side...this does not really impact that Sora was a HIGHLY deadly opponent who as a Vaapad practitioner was a Juyo master in his own right, which means he had to have mastered other high end forms.
Oh, given his style? Jar'Kai as well.