Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Mr Mxyzptlk

Started by Galan0073 pages

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is still canon.
KMC rules prohibit the use of PIS as any sort of evidence. That said, a weaker character (Annataz) being able to inhibit the powers of a more powerful character (Mxy) makes no sense whatsoever, and literally defines PIS.

^^I agree, but isn't everything PIS? Can't you apply PIS to everything.

A character not functioning to the best of his/her ability, for the sake of the story = PIS.

Originally posted by Galan007
KMC rules prohibit the use of PIS as any sort of evidence. That said, a weaker character (Annataz) being able to inhibit the powers of a more powerful character (Mxy) makes no sense whatsoever, and literally defines PIS.
Who decides what's pis and what isn't. In either case Beyonder is more powerful than Mxy so he should be able to replicate the feat or outright destroy him due to his superior power.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
^^I agree, but isn't everything PIS? Can't you apply PIS to everything.
It's subjective and therein lies the problem.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who decides what's pis and what isn't. In either case Beyonder is more powerful than Mxy so he should be able to replicate the feat or outright destroy him due to his superior power.

Why is he more powerful?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Why is he more powerful?
Did you read secret wars 2?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who decides what's pis and what isn't.
The instance in question is the deciding factor.

Originally posted by Galan007
The instance in question is the deciding factor.
I don't consider it pis.

^ Of course not. It makes perfect sense that a weaker character could muck with a more powerful chracter. duryes

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Of course not. It makes perfect sense that a weaker character could muck with a more powerful chracter. duryes
Due to sorcery. Why not?

Just don't know why I take the time to respond to you intelligently. facepalm

Originally posted by Galan007
Just don't know why I take the time to respond to you intelligently. facepalm
I could say the same to a guy who ignores the comics themselves.

Originally posted by Merlyn
lets look solely at feats shall we?

molecule man let out a supposed 'billion' dimension-busting attack {which is cool but it's still several leagues below the infinity of a multiverse}
he fixed multiversal damage
caused multiversal tremors in his fight with beyonder

mxy destroyed an entire multiverse with ease and then blinked it all back into existence again.


That'd be nice if 'a multiverse' (singular) was really infinite. Since it isn't, your argument sort of falls apart. Busting a billion dimensions/realities/universes with one shot is certainly superior to destroying the DCU multiverse. Blinking it back in, is a different story. Luckily he's only done this in an Elseworlds, which isn't used on KMC.

Originally posted by Enyalus
That'd be nice if 'a multiverse' (singular) was really infinite. Since it isn't, your argument sort of falls apart. Busting a billion dimensions/realities/universes with one shot is certainly superior to destroying the DCU multiverse.
Except Mxy did destroy an infinite amount of universes:

"No more Infinite Earth's." etc, etc.

Infinite > a billion.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Blinking it back in, is a different story.
Which Mxy did:

Originally posted by Enyalus
Luckily he's only done this in an Elseworlds, which isn't used on KMC.
It's been explained to you before (with proof) why WF is canonical. If you still don't accept it despite the evidence, that's your deal.

🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
It's been explained to you before (with proof) why WF is canonical. If you still don't accept it despite the evidence, that's your deal.

🙂


That it's canon to DC is fine with me. It isn't canon on KMC, which specifies no Elseworlds. It isn't like something like Kingdom Come, which has been referenced in mainstream continuity JSA books. To my knowledge, WF hasn't been referenced in any mainstream or in-continuity work (unless Emperor Joker mentions it, I don't have it to check that.)

Anywho, that's by far his highest feat. Its like Odin 'affecting the multiverse' - which has only happened once and is something that really, I'd consider PIS since it's so far above anything else he's done.

Originally posted by Enyalus
That it's canon to DC is fine with me. It isn't canon on KMC, which specifies no Elseworlds. It isn't like something like Kingdom Come, which has been referenced in mainstream continuity JSA books. To my knowledge, WF hasn't been referenced in any mainstream or in-continuity work (unless Emperor Joker mentions it, I don't have it to check that.)
WF doesn't have to be mentioned in other stories for it to be canon. Why? Because during WF Mxy visited the DCU immediately following the events of COIE (and there was only one COIE, that is a FACT.) He visited Gemworld (there is only one Gemworld.) He can be seen destroying the DC One Million universe (there's only one of those too.) He also visited/destroyed the Kingdom Come universe (which is indisputably canon to the mainstream DCU, as well.) And the list goes on.

You have no proof to the contrary, other than it being an Elseworlds story. And sorry, but that alone does not outweigh all of the actual evidence imo.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Anywho, that's by far his highest feat. Its like Odin 'affecting the multiverse' - which has only happened once and is something that really, I'd consider PIS since it's so far above anything else he's done.
Mxy doesn't want to destroy existence (most of the time) - that's just not his character.

As Mxy himself put it..

"I actually grasp the concept that if you obliterate reality, then there's nobody left to play with":

WF/EJ are simply windows that show us what Mxy can do when he lets loose. Just because Mxy has only tried (and succeeded) once in destroying/recreating the multiverse, doesn't make it PIS. srsly

The reason world funnest and else world stuff aren't considered canon for other characters is b/c other characters are contained in those comic arcs, mxy isn't. Mxy's character remains the same no matter what comic he is in. So mxy's feats in those should be considered canon. As far as mxy's being depowered not being PIS....if the spectre can't, and no other cosmic level being can, how on earth did a sorceress do it? EJ owned everyone, why wouldn't he have just been depowered? Oh b/c that happening to mxy was pure PIS so that SBP fanboys would have something to get excited about it.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
The reason world funnest and else world stuff aren't considered canon for other characters is b/c other characters are contained in those comic arcs, mxy isn't. Mxy's character remains the same no matter what comic he is in. So mxy's feats in those should be considered canon. As far as mxy's being depowered not being PIS....if the spectre can't, and no other cosmic level being can, how on earth did a sorceress do it? EJ owned everyone, why wouldn't he have just been depowered? Oh b/c that happening to mxy was pure PIS so that SBP fanboys would have something to get excited about it.
So, the kingdom is considered canon for Mxy as well.