Kratos & Dante vs Kain

Originally posted by SovNarKom
After a little accident, i don't speak English very well, but any way try to understand v please

The Reaver were powerful enough to harm the Elder God, and he's much bigger than a single Titan.

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you're joking, right? The blade is indestructible.

It dosen't matter. Kain is predestent to "return the Pillars to their rightful inheritor", this is why he cant't be killed, the history of Nosgoth is immutable. The Wraith Blade is the spiritual incarnation of Raziel and as Raziel himself it can rewrite history, and this is why Raziel is the only one who can kill Kain.

Isn't Blood Omen 2 non-cannon?

Irevelant and Invalid. He is nonething but tentacles. EG is near featless. Kain only cut his tentacles and attacked his eye. His eye, nor tentacles isn't as big as a Titan.

William the Just's blade was broken, as was Kain's as one point.

It does matter, because the producer/developer of the game said he could kill Kain. Not allowed. If that's in the case, only & only a Devil Arm can kill Dante, which Kain doesn't possess. Spiritual incarnation of Raziel? Proof. It causes paradoxes. That is not showing how he can kill Kain at all. BT, I will get to your posts whenever I do, and that's IF I do.

Originally posted by The Valiant
Irevelant and Invalid. He is nonething but tentacles. EG is near featless.

William the Just's blade was broken, as was Kain's as one point.

It does matter, because the producer/developer of the game said he could kill Kain. Not allowed. If that's in the case, only & only a Devil Arm can kill Dante, which Kain doesn't possess. Spiritual incarnation of Raziel? Proof. It causes paradoxes. That is not showing how he can kill Kain at all. BT, I will get to your posts whenever I do, and that's IF I do.

yh and Atlas is nothing but a fat Goro....

The only time they are broken is when a paradox of time breaks them.

No he didnt, never does one say so...Its never canon or stated that only a devil arm can kill Dante. You dont even know what the wraith blade is? lolz....and Gumachi thats a copy of pretty much what TGE, Dark Jaxx, V2D etc said isnt it?....

Originally posted by Burning thought
It is greater, that does not mean however Kratos can overcome Kains anymore than he is defeated by Ares.

Size is irrelvent, its like asking you to prove a Titan can break a sword as curly as the soul reaver...

Ofcourse i give them credit, ive played almost all their games. Yes I know how big Titans are, a huge trifle smaller than Elder God, many many times smaller infact, who is continent sized, if not planet sized and has instantly regenerating and multiplying tentacles, a Titan could never defeat the EG, wheras EG could smother all the titans, regardless of his strength.,

The only weapon that can kill him according to Kain is the wraith blade, fire and the rest of it is nothing to do with it, although both Kain and Razil were wrong, Kain cannot be killed at all, because they both thought eachother were the vampire/hylden champions, this was not true, as Raziel was both the champions. And Raziel does apprently kill Kain, Kain just does not die.....Blood omen 2 era Kain was, and that was after being defeated by the Hylden lord, who had an unfair item.

A power given to him by Raziel, which he still has so there no reason to stop the feat, and I know becuase they have never done so, they cant see something not of their reality or that is invisible, Hades is prob the only one id give the benefit of the doubt.

Prove it.

Still no proof he can rip out his soul. It's still no-limit fallacy if you're saying he can rip out his soul. A Titan accidently steps on Kain.

No, you don't. Smother all the Titans? EG is near featless. His tentacles arn't that big, and don't reach out that far. Prove he could tentacles could smother something bigger than the Empire State Building. Smother? Smother? They won't work. A Titan is tickled by that little ass feather you call a "tentacle."

It's still HIS wraith blade. The developers said he could kill him, unless you can prove, otherwise. Kain stated that Raziel has the weapon that could kill him.

It's not like EG could do anything to them.

Originally posted by Burning thought
yh and Atlas is nothing but a fat Goro....

The only time they are broken is when a paradox of time breaks them.

No he didnt, never does one say so...Its never canon or stated that only a devil arm can kill Dante. You dont even know what the wraith blade is? lolz....and Gumachi thats a copy of pretty much what TGE, Dark Jaxx, V2D etc said isnt it?....

Who holds up the entire world and is the strongest of all the Titans.

Yes...he did. Yes, it is. It was stated by either Capcom or the canon-anime (which may be both). Prove that the developers said that only the wraith blade can kill Kain.

EDIT: It was stated that you would have to rip his heart out WITH a Devil Arm to kill him.

Originally posted by The Valiant
Who holds up the entire world and is the strongest of all the Titans.

Yes...he did. Yes, it is. It was stated by either Capcom or the canon-anime (which may be both). Prove that the developers said that only the wraith blade can kill Kain.

EDIT: It was stated that you would have to rip his heart out WITH a Devil Arm to kill him.

bold statement, is it stated in GOW that he is the strongest? and for all the strength he has, he couldnt do more damage than a small wave attack to stop Hades from taking Cronos...Hades overpowered Atlas AND Cronos...

Go and find the evidence, I dont believe Capcom said that and if they did, its a no limits fallacy based only in the DMC verse, Dante has been screwed over by several small swords in his time.

Originally posted by The Valiant
Prove it.

Still no proof he can rip out his soul. It's still no-limit fallacy if you're saying he can rip out his soul. A Titan accidently steps on Kain.

No, you don't. Smother all the Titans? EG is near featless. His tentacles arn't that big, and don't reach out that far. Prove he could tentacles could smother something bigger than the Empire State Building. Smother? Smother? They won't work. A Titan is tickled by that little ass feather you call a "tentacle."

It's still HIS wraith blade. The developers said he could kill him, unless you can prove, otherwise. Kain stated that Raziel has the weapon that could kill him.

It's not like EG could do anything to them.

The burdon of proof is on you.

Not a no limits fallacy, a Titan has shown no resistance to having its soul devoured, infact whats amusing is that despite hades slow gripping of a Titans soul, it still has no chance and goes almost limp and unable to move...wheras Kains soul taking is through a quick spell or blade slash. A Titan could never step on Kain, maybe Dante or Kratos, but not Kain, he has too many ways to escape such a fate.

Theres millions of them and hes shown he can multiply them...now imagine his entire body, a continent far far larger than all the Titans put together and smothering them in millions of tentacles, they would be chanceless...the very size of the EG combined would logically knock over a Titan.

Find this evidence, find where the Developers actually state Raziel can kill him, because unfortunatley for you, Kain despite Raziel ripping out his heart, still lives.

lol do anything to them? Titans have what durability feats?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=472678&highlight=title%3A(Elder+Respect)

See this thread for Elder God feats. Well more like statements and stuff regarding its abilities.

Originally posted by Burning thought
bold statement, is it stated in GOW that he is the strongest? and for all the strength he has, he couldnt do more damage than a small wave attack to stop Hades from taking Cronos...Hades overpowered Atlas AND Cronos...

Go and find the evidence, I dont believe Capcom said that and if they did, its a no limits fallacy based only in the DMC verse, Dante has been screwed over by several small swords in his time.

Been proven. Yeah, I guess you have a point.

I didn't find the vid, but they said it. Now go find when said only Raz's Wraith Blade can kill Kain. "Dante has been screwed over by several small swords in his time." It's not the size, but power, he got stabbed by Nelo's Angelo's sword and was fine (canon manga). "I dont believe Capcom said that and if they did, its a no limits fallacy based only in the DMC verse." That has nonething to do with being in the DMC Universe. Hey, Mr. Hyprocrite, you're the one who claims Kain will return, which is only in his own universe, and how ONLY Raziel's Wraith Blade can kill him is in his own universe. Nice job, Mr. Hyprocrite. I'll get to your other posts if I feel like it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The burdon of proof is on you.

Not a no limits fallacy, a Titan has shown no resistance to having its soul devoured, infact whats amusing is that despite hades slow gripping of a Titans soul, it still has no chance and goes almost limp and unable to move...wheras Kains soul taking is through a quick spell or blade slash. A Titan could never step on Kain, maybe Dante or Kratos, but not Kain, he has too many ways to escape such a fate.

Theres millions of them and hes shown he can multiply them...now imagine his entire body, a continent far far larger than all the Titans put together and smothering them in millions of tentacles, they would be chanceless...the very size of the EG combined would logically knock over a Titan.

Find this evidence, find where the Developers actually state Raziel can kill him, because unfortunatley for you, Kain despite Raziel ripping out his heart, still lives.

lol do anything to them? Titans have what durability feats?

No.

Yeah, that was a God doing it, Kain hasn't shown to rip out someone's soul, and he has to weaken them to begin with. Prove the spell can work on someone with high power as a Titan. Lol, they would step on him. "Spells" doesn't help him, dude.

False.

You find it. You was the one who claimed the developers stated that only Raziel's Wraith Blade can kill him. Ripping out his heart isn't a blade.

Durablity has nonething to do with this. He can't do anything to the Titans, he's pathetic. Nonething but a shitty giant squid.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The burdon of proof is on you.

Not a no limits fallacy, a Titan has shown no resistance to having its soul devoured, infact whats amusing is that despite hades slow gripping of a Titans soul, it still has no chance and goes almost limp and unable to move...wheras Kains soul taking is through a quick spell or blade slash. A Titan could never step on Kain, maybe Dante or Kratos, but not Kain, he has too many ways to escape such a fate.

Theres millions of them and hes shown he can multiply them...now imagine his entire body, a continent far far larger than all the Titans put together and smothering them in millions of tentacles, they would be chanceless...the very size of the EG combined would logically knock over a Titan.

Find this evidence, find where the Developers actually state Raziel can kill him, because unfortunatley for you, Kain despite Raziel ripping out his heart, still lives.

lol do anything to them? Titans have what durability feats?

Sorry, the Titans are the incarnation of them Greek selves.

Also, YouTube video He never pulled him down. He got down, and if you look, he had assistance from Poseidon.

Also, Zeus is (possibly) stronger than Kratos...but...he couldn't take The BoO.

He took the BoO from Kratos a few times in the fight actually.

Oh, yeah, thanks for reminding me.

Wow...........another vs with the same old characters

no wonder i hardly go near this section of the forum.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Wow...........another vs with the same old characters

no wonder i hardly go near this section of the forum.

They are the most supported and favored characters. There are other characters being debated as well, and if you have some you would like to discuss then I suggest you make a thread about it.
Can't walk around hoping others will do your wishes without sharing them 🙂

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
and if you have some you would like to discuss then I suggest you make a thread about it.
)

Surprise, SUPRISE!! i have but bugger all people post in them they all seem to go back to these other threads.

Originally posted by The Valiant
Been proven. Yeah, I guess you have a point.

I didn't find the vid, but they said it. Now go find when said only Raz's Wraith Blade can kill Kain. "Dante has been screwed over by several small swords in his time." It's not the size, but power, he got stabbed by Nelo's Angelo's sword and was fine (canon manga). "I dont believe Capcom said that and if they did, its a no limits fallacy based only in the DMC verse." That has nonething to do with being in the DMC Universe. Hey, Mr. Hyprocrite, you're the one who claims Kain will return, which is only in his own universe, and how ONLY Raziel's Wraith Blade can kill him is in his own universe. Nice job, Mr. Hyprocrite. I'll get to your other posts if I feel like it.

I never made that statement, I never said the developers claimed that Kain can only be killed by the wraith blade did I? Kain himself says that Raziels wraith blade is the only thing that can kill him however.

Ofcourse it does, immediatley Dante has not faced anything like Kain, Pyron etc. Because Kain returning is not based on particulour objects, its a regulour ability, ofcourse if an opponent actually had something to stop beings from returning from death or to break an immutable timeline then fair enough.

Originally posted by The Valiant
No.

Yeah, that was a God doing it, Kain hasn't shown to rip out someone's soul, and he has to weaken them to begin with. Prove the spell can work on someone with high power as a Titan. Lol, they would step on him. "Spells" doesn't help him, dude.

False.

You find it. You was the one who claimed the developers stated that only Raziel's Wraith Blade can kill him. Ripping out his heart isn't a blade.

Durablity has nonething to do with this. He can't do anything to the Titans, he's pathetic. Nonething but a shitty giant squid.

Yes, you made the claim, now back it up.

So? a God? titlz! i thot you learn the whole "titles" thing? perhaps you better go and find a feat of hades doing something spectaculour, otherwise obvioulsy Atlas is not that strong. I dont have to prove anything, I KNOW Atlas and the other titans has ZERO soul resistance....simple as..

now your just ranting like a child "zomg hes a shit squid!", yeh and Atlas is a fat Goro and Chronos looks like Harry from "harry and the hendersons", fortunatley I dont need to debate this, Ive played almost all the games featured in this thread, you cannot say the same.

Originally posted by The Valiant
Sorry, the Titans are the incarnation of them Greek selves.

Also, YouTube video He never pulled him down. He got down, and if you look, he had assistance from Poseidon.

Assuming this is true (which its not, everything in GOW although it has strong ties to myth, their very diffrent, otherwise they wouldnt be allowed as a thread) they still are not allowed feats out side of games.

oh wow assistance from Poseidon....he still pulled down Chronos by himself and you could see Atlas pulled forwards by Hades.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I never made that statement, I never said the developers claimed that Kain can only be killed by the wraith blade did I? Kain himself says that Raziels wraith blade is the only thing that can kill him however.

Ofcourse it does, immediatley Dante has not faced anything like Kain, Pyron etc. Because Kain returning is not based on particulour objects, its a regulour ability, ofcourse if an opponent actually had something to stop beings from returning from death or to break an immutable timeline then fair enough.

Yes, you made the claim, now back it up.

So? a God? titlz! i thot you learn the whole "titles" thing? perhaps you better go and find a feat of hades doing something spectaculour, otherwise obvioulsy Atlas is not that strong. I dont have to prove anything, [b]I KNOW Atlas and the other titans has ZERO soul resistance....simple as..

now your just ranting like a child "zomg hes a shit squid!", yeh and Atlas is a fat Goro and Chronos looks like Harry from "harry and the hendersons", fortunatley I dont need to debate this, Ive played almost all the games featured in this thread, you cannot say the same.

Assuming this is true (which its not, everything in GOW although it has strong ties to myth, their very diffrent, otherwise they wouldnt be allowed as a thread) they still are not allowed feats out side of games.

oh wow assistance from Poseidon....he still pulled down Chronos by himself and you could see Atlas pulled forwards by Hades. [/B]

Yes you did, stop lying.

Kain hasn't faced anything like Dante. There is nonething special about Kain. Hell, Kain hasn't faced anyone like Pyron.

Maybe I will, as soon as you back your bullshit claims up.

You bring up titles as well.

Kain is a old ass piece of shit ugly ass green vampire.

Nevermind, David Jaffe stated that they arn't the same as in the myths.

So? Yeah, he only pulled him quickly, proves nonething, dipshit.

Okay, every one needs to stop with the hostility or I'm going to start giving out warnings.

I don't want excuses. There are no valid ones you can give. Just stop, now.

Originally posted by The Valiant
Yes you did, stop lying.

Kain hasn't faced anything like Dante. There is nonething special about Kain.