Originally posted by Burning thought
Why would them moving make a diffrence on TK, the only diffrence is if a beings strength is as high as Kratos.He can turn into mist is what I meant, although he can go immaterial to a degree using Malachais power but according to you this is not Kain after he has absorbed Raziel so he can become mist. Mist is just water vapour as I said, just because you cant grab it doesnt mean its not physical, water is still physical......
According to sources you have shown me Kain cannot turn into mist, he can meld into it but he can still be attacked normally, he is just harder to see.
And yes mist is physical as force can affect it, although this has nothing to do with anything.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
According to sources you have shown me Kain cannot turn into mist, he can meld into it but he can still be attacked normally, he is just harder to see.And yes mist is physical as force can affect it, although this has nothing to do with anything.
In BO2, he turns invisible, he can be hurt. In Defiance, he turns into mist, but he can't do anything but dodge attacks (which is in gameplay).
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Wait a minute..I thought 2-on-1 VS matches were NOT allowed in this forum.
Last time I made one, it got closed immediately.
It is.
Ok... I am ending the Kain TK argument. Kratos is A GOD OF WAR... He beat the Origional GOD OF WAR who could TK hundreds of troops at once. Soul Reaver/Reaver is definitely not of GOD soul-stealing strength. In case you haven't realized my emphasis on the whole KRATOS IS A GOD then please read this again. Also even without God Skills Kratos's pure physical strength is insane. Yes let's hook a hydras head with blades and physically force it's head through a mast. if even his arms are that strong as a mortal then the argument of his neck being weak enough to be effected by TK is complete lunacy. His muscle mass/density/magical buffs would definetly give him enough strength to overcome any TK ignoring magical resistance Kratos may have.
Speedwise Kratos gets Hermes boots and I'm guessing he killed him. So in order to kill Hermes he would have to catch him so if he caught him he definitely beat Kain's speed feats. So now that Str and Spd feats Kratos beats Kain.
Magic- Kain has powerful mortal/guardian magic
Kratos has.... GOD MAGIC...
Kratos wins 3 for 3 vs Kain
Kain vs. Elder God Kain wins but cannot kill and elder god was a pussy compared to Kratos. So if Kain barely stalemates it then how does he beat Kratos
4 for 4
Dante Stands a decent chance his abilites are closer to godly status and he's got potential to be even greater like his old man the Dark Knight Sparda who fought all of Hell and it's leaders to seal it... If Dante comes within a tenth of that strength I'd give him a chance to fight Kratos on = grounds
Ah well what the hell, ime bored so ill answer it.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Ok... I am ending the Kain TK argument. Kratos is A GOD OF WAR... He beat the Origional GOD OF WAR who could TK hundreds of troops at once. Soul Reaver/Reaver is definitely not of GOD soul-stealing strength. In case you haven't realized my emphasis on the whole KRATOS IS A GOD then please read this again. Also even without God Skills Kratos's pure physical strength is insane. Yes let's hook a hydras head with blades and physically force it's head through a mast. if even his arms are that strong as a mortal then the argument of his neck being weak enough to be effected by TK is complete lunacy. His muscle mass/density/magical buffs would definetly give him enough strength to overcome any TK ignoring magical resistance Kratos may have.Speedwise Kratos gets Hermes boots and I'm guessing he killed him. So in order to kill Hermes he would have to catch him so if he caught him he definitely beat Kain's speed feats. So now that Str and Spd feats Kratos beats Kain.
Magic- Kain has powerful mortal/guardian magic
Kratos has.... GOD MAGIC...
Kratos wins 3 for 3 vs KainKain vs. Elder God Kain wins but cannot kill and elder god was a pussy compared to Kratos. So if Kain barely stalemates it then how does he beat Kratos
4 for 4Dante Stands a decent chance his abilites are closer to godly status and he's got potential to be even greater like his old man the Dark Knight Sparda who fought all of Hell and it's leaders to seal it... If Dante comes within a tenth of that strength I'd give him a chance to fight Kratos on = grounds
Ares never used TK on Kratos, so thats argument smashed. Gods are titles, so theres no such thing as "God soul stealing" strength, infact Hades who is a God seems a fairy tame, he needs to use actual hooks to physically rip out a soul, fairly wimpy tbh, the sort of soul rip that may actually be able to physically resist to a degree (altho a Titan couldnt resist it so youd have to be extremely strong). His neck is fair game, you cant excert strength of that height through your neck normally and until Kratos shows it, he cannot do it fictionally either.
Thats a damn lot of fine assumptiosn youve got there, that Hermes was cought up with and defeated? for all you know he had help, or he had a buff/additional power, or he outsmarted Hermes, or tricked him.
Magic? your daft if you think Kratos has anything on Kains level....I wont even bother answeting this.
The Elder God would handily and easily wipe out the whol of God of War, he would smother a Titan with tentacles and his size is continent based, not just mountains like those of GOW, Kain defeated the Elder God who is far beyond Kratos as a being in general, even if we use queer @ss title logic.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Ok... I am ending the Kain TK argument. Kratos is A GOD OF WAR... He beat the Origional GOD OF WAR who could TK hundreds of troops at once. Soul Reaver/Reaver is definitely not of GOD soul-stealing strength. In case you haven't realized my emphasis on the whole KRATOS IS A GOD then please read this again. Also even without God Skills Kratos's pure physical strength is insane. Yes let's hook a hydras head with blades and physically force it's head through a mast. if even his arms are that strong as a mortal then the argument of his neck being weak enough to be effected by TK is complete lunacy. His muscle mass/density/magical buffs would definetly give him enough strength to overcome any TK ignoring magical resistance Kratos may have.Speedwise Kratos gets Hermes boots and I'm guessing he killed him. So in order to kill Hermes he would have to catch him so if he caught him he definitely beat Kain's speed feats. So now that Str and Spd feats Kratos beats Kain.
Magic- Kain has powerful mortal/guardian magic
Kratos has.... GOD MAGIC...
Kratos wins 3 for 3 vs KainKain vs. Elder God Kain wins but cannot kill and elder god was a pussy compared to Kratos. So if Kain barely stalemates it then how does he beat Kratos
4 for 4Dante Stands a decent chance his abilites are closer to godly status and he's got potential to be even greater like his old man the Dark Knight Sparda who fought all of Hell and it's leaders to seal it... If Dante comes within a tenth of that strength I'd give him a chance to fight Kratos on = grounds
That post is so wrong, on so many levels.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ah well what the hell, ime bored so ill answer it.Ares never used TK on Kratos, so thats argument smashed. Gods are titles, so theres no such thing as "God soul stealing" strength, infact Hades who is a God seems a fairy tame, he needs to use actual hooks to physically rip out a soul, fairly wimpy tbh, the sort of soul rip that may actually be able to physically resist to a degree (altho a Titan couldnt resist it so youd have to be extremely strong). His neck is fair game, you cant excert strength of that height through your neck normally and until Kratos shows it, he cannot do it fictionally either.
Thats a damn lot of fine assumptiosn youve got there, that Hermes was cought up with and defeated? for all you know he had help, or he had a buff/additional power, or he outsmarted Hermes, or tricked him.
Magic? your daft if you think Kratos has anything on Kains level....I wont even bother answeting this.
The Elder God would handily and easily wipe out the whol of God of War, he would smother a Titan with tentacles and his size is continent based, not just mountains like those of GOW, Kain defeated the Elder God who is far beyond Kratos as a being in general, even if we use queer @ss title logic.
Yes...he did use TK on, Kratos. Replay God of War. And for proof: 8XNFwiDG5MM&feature=related
No proof that a little sword (compared to a Titan) will even rip out his soul. Just because a God (who used gigantic chains) did it, doesn't mean Kain can. Obviously, Hades had assistance from Poseidon to rip out Atlas' soul, and he still didn't rip it out, he was "pulling." You have to show that Kain can rip out someone's soul as big as a Atlas. Saying "him not being able to resist" is no limit fallacy.
Yeah, he may have killed Hermes (which is irrevelant), but he didn't use his own powers, and it means nonething.
Magic of Titans.
He couldn't even wipe out Kain. The Elder God has no strength feats at all. Smother? 1 Titan would just rip the tentacle off. EG is nonething but tentacles and eyes. Nonething more. So stop taking as if actually has a body (kinda hard to explain). EG isn't special. He's nearly featless.
Half of the powers Raziel has (which can kill Kain), Dante has. Dante has can protect himself with his aura.
Originally posted by The Valiant
Yes...he did use TK on, Kratos. Replay God of War. And for proof: 8XNFwiDG5MM&feature=relatedNo proof that a little sword (compared to a Titan) will even rip out his soul. Just because a God (who used gigantic chains) did it, doesn't mean Kain can. Obviously, Hades had assistance from Poseidon to rip out Atlas' soul, and he still didn't rip it out, he was "pulling." You have to show that Kain can rip out someone's soul as big as a Atlas. Saying "him not being able to resist" is no limit fallacy.
Yeah, he may have killed Hermes (which is irrevelant), but he didn't use his own powers, and it means nonething.
Magic of Titans.
He couldn't even wipe out Kain. The Elder God has no strength feats at all. Smother? 1 Titan would just rip the tentacle off. EG is nonething but tentacles and eyes. Nonething more. So stop taking as if actually has a body (kinda hard to explain). EG isn't special. He's nearly featless.
Half of the powers Raziel has (which can kill Kain), Dante has. Dante has can protect himself with his aura.
Fair point, although the argument is still smashed and your evidence proves it, so thank you for that, Kratos does not actually defeat Ares TK.
No you see, you need to give reasons for why size means anything, you make the blunder that souls are the same as physical objects, size however means little to a soul, which is incorporeal, its weight or mass is always nothing, because its not physical.
He couldnt wipe out Kain because Kain is far greater than you give him credit for. Elder God does not need strength feats, ime using his ability on a mass per mass basis, his mass/volume covers a continent if not an entire world which means he could technically using only a small portion of his body smother a Titan in tentacles, the Titans could do nothing not just because Elder God cannot be touched but also because the Elder God can multiply his tentacles and regenerate them extremely quickly. Tentacles and eyes? thats a massive advantage, you said it almost as if it was a weakness, he has no major bones, or areas....his whole body is his essence, all EG has to do is smash a Titans skull in or smother him into suffocation with millions of tentacles. EG isnt special? hes an invisible and multi reality entity who controls the life and death cycle of the world, hes like a super hades crossed with a super Titan.
Raziels powers cannot kill Kain, Dante is worthless in comparison to one such as Kain.
True, but Ares' TK has shown to be greater than Kain's (I may be wrong).
Sure, I will, when you prove that he can rip out someone's soul as big as a Titan. Besides, the Titans souls are gigantic. A Titan would just break the Soul Reaver.
So? You don't give Kratos & Dante credit, either. His tentacles are not the size of a continent. Kain wouldn't be able to do anything to EG, until Raziel blessed him, also, EG wouldn't be able to do anything to the Titans. EG has no feats (that I know of), and his tentacles are not going to even effect a Titan, let along kill them. Life & Death? Irrevelant? Titans controls tons of shit (that I don't feel like naming). Smash? What will that do? Do you know how big Titans are?
What are you talking about? Raziel's Wraith Blade can kill Kain, and out of those Wraith Blades comes fire, wind, etc. All of Raziel's powers can be countered by Dante's. Raziel is/was as power as Kain. There is nonething special about Kain. He was in a coma for 200 years 😬 Can't he only control people who are already dead?
And like said, Kain had aura when he was fighting EG. And how do you know if they arn't able to see an invisible being?
Originally posted by Uriel005
Ok... I am ending the Kain TK argument. Kratos is A GOD OF WAR... He beat the Origional GOD OF WAR who could TK hundreds of troops at once. Soul Reaver/Reaver is definitely not of GOD soul-stealing strength. In case you haven't realized my emphasis on the whole KRATOS IS A GOD then please read this again. Also even without God Skills Kratos's pure physical strength is insane. Yes let's hook a hydras head with blades and physically force it's head through a mast. if even his arms are that strong as a mortal then the argument of his neck being weak enough to be effected by TK is complete lunacy. His muscle mass/density/magical buffs would definetly give him enough strength to overcome any TK ignoring magical resistance Kratos may have.Speedwise Kratos gets Hermes boots and I'm guessing he killed him. So in order to kill Hermes he would have to catch him so if he caught him he definitely beat Kain's speed feats. So now that Str and Spd feats Kratos beats Kain.
Magic- Kain has powerful mortal/guardian magic
Kratos has.... GOD MAGIC...
Kratos wins 3 for 3 vs KainKain vs. Elder God Kain wins but cannot kill and elder god was a pussy compared to Kratos. So if Kain barely stalemates it then how does he beat Kratos
4 for 4Dante Stands a decent chance his abilites are closer to godly status and he's got potential to be even greater like his old man the Dark Knight Sparda who fought all of Hell and it's leaders to seal it... If Dante comes within a tenth of that strength I'd give him a chance to fight Kratos on = grounds
Yeah, he beat Ares, but it was the power of Pandora's Box. So it was Pandora's Box. Which gave Kratos power. It wasn't his own. No, Kratos isn't a God. Have you fvckin played God of War II, and not just finishing God of War?
This IS NOT, Kratos vs Kain vs Dante. Kratos & Dante are on teams taking on Kain. Who knows? Dante could be as strong as Kratos. He never uses strength, nor does he use brute-force.
After a little accident, i don't speak English very well, but any way try to understand v please
Sure, I will, when you prove that he can rip out someone's soul as big as a Titan. Besides, the Titans souls are gigantic.
A Titan would just break the Soul Reaver.
What are you talking about? Raziel's Wraith Blade can kill Kain, and out of those Wraith Blades comes fire, wind, etc. All of Raziel's powers can be countered by Dante's.
He was in a coma for 200 years
Originally posted by The Valiant
True, but Ares' TK has shown to be greater than Kain's (I may be wrong).Sure, I will, when you prove that he can rip out someone's soul as big as a Titan. Besides, the Titans souls are gigantic. A Titan would just break the Soul Reaver.
So? You don't give Kratos & Dante credit, either. His tentacles are not the size of a continent. Kain wouldn't be able to do anything to EG, until Raziel blessed him, also, EG wouldn't be able to do anything to the Titans. EG has no feats (that I know of), and his tentacles are not going to even effect a Titan, let along kill them. Life & Death? Irrevelant? Titans controls tons of shit (that I don't feel like naming). Smash? What will that do? Do you know how big Titans are?
What are you talking about? Raziel's Wraith Blade can kill Kain, and out of those Wraith Blades comes fire, wind, etc. All of Raziel's powers can be countered by Dante's. Raziel is/was as power as Kain. There is nonething special about Kain. He was in a coma for 200 years 😬 Can't he only control people who are already dead?
And like said, Kain had aura when he was fighting EG. And how do you know if they arn't able to see an invisible being?
It is greater, that does not mean however Kratos can overcome Kains anymore than he is defeated by Ares.
Size is irrelvent, its like asking you to prove a Titan can break a sword as curly as the soul reaver...
Ofcourse i give them credit, ive played almost all their games. Yes I know how big Titans are, a huge trifle smaller than Elder God, many many times smaller infact, who is continent sized, if not planet sized and has instantly regenerating and multiplying tentacles, a Titan could never defeat the EG, wheras EG could smother all the titans, regardless of his strength.,
The only weapon that can kill him according to Kain is the wraith blade, fire and the rest of it is nothing to do with it, although both Kain and Razil were wrong, Kain cannot be killed at all, because they both thought eachother were the vampire/hylden champions, this was not true, as Raziel was both the champions. And Raziel does apprently kill Kain, Kain just does not die.....Blood omen 2 era Kain was, and that was after being defeated by the Hylden lord, who had an unfair item.
A power given to him by Raziel, which he still has so there no reason to stop the feat, and I know becuase they have never done so, they cant see something not of their reality or that is invisible, Hades is prob the only one id give the benefit of the doubt.