Kratos & Dante vs Kain

Originally posted by Gumachi
What does blocking lighting, have to do with Kain hitting him? He could get hit by a slow Barbarian hammer, also. Kratos isn't all that fast, atleast as you make it seem(if he's fast at all).

BT, if Kain slows time, Dante will disable it with QS, not only that, but Dante is resisted to soul-sucking.

Their just reaching, their taking one gameplay happening and stringing together real life physicis on bolts from a fictional character who has shown to be able to make slower bolts in the first place, furthermore the one in the gameplay is not only optional but also not even a real beam of thunder from the real world, its just like an orb of thunder....so their beating a dead horse and that much I can say with certainty because Ive played it.

Youve also got to take into account the rest of the ENTIRE f*cking game, I mean holy sh*t Kratos doesnt beam around the place at lighting speeds and he doesnt move his arms in a flash grabbing arrows and energy left and right...theres dozens and dozens of scripted sequences when Kratos fights the bosses where its obvious hes not moving at lightning speed, he moves no quicker than most normal men if not with perhaps more stamina but still...not much quicker than a man.

Which is why hes useless in this fight

Dante cant disable it if hes used his power/energy for DT earlier on or if hes already frozen. Kain wont suck Dantes soul, he will rip it out which is diffrent and what are you talking about? if you mean the little orb, the orb gives him tonnes of extra power he wouldnt normally have.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
It has to do with everything, unless kains movement is faster than lightning, then it will be blocked and repelled by the golden fleece.

like jaxx said, his tk is not nearly strong enough to stop a moving kratos. not even close.

The Golden fleece has only blocked and repelled physical powers furthermore, as I said kain has a vast array of time slowing powers.

How could you possibly know the weight, mass etc of Kratos' neck when he is running?

All Kain would have to do is stop him moving, he has a vast number of spells for that, and Kratos is not quick in the least so why you claim Kain could never stop him just beacuse hes moving is ridiculous. One TK push on Kratos' foot and he will trick over and be easy game for another TK grab.

Kain can TK the BoO out of Kratos' hand, his strength can't stop the weapon from being TKed.

Now, don't get me wrong, Kratos is cute, but he was nonething until Ares gave him power, and he still wasn't nonething because Ares stripped his ass of his power, now he became stripped again by Zeus(and was stupid enough to put his power into the blade)he then became Gaia's lackey b!tch. Eventually the Titans will get tired of healing Kratos, that's when Kain will strip his ass down, and bleed him dry, or still his soul Oh, Kain can freeze Kratos. Probably could mind-control him too.

@BT: He won't. Soon as he is lifted up, he can DT. No I am not talking about a orb. True, but that would probably leave his Devil Form, and i'm shure he (possibly) can resist.

And even Persephone managed to knock down Kratos with her TK, and she's featless(her TK isn't even big).

IMO, the only reason Kratos gets credit is because of his super-strength, him being the son of Zeus, and him killing weak Greek Gods(who arn't the same in the myths, and if I recall correctly, they were the weakest). Odin would destroy Zeus(Norse Gods>Greek Gods?).

Originally posted by Gumachi

Now, don't get me wrong, Kratos is cute, but he was nonething until Ares gave him power, and he still wasn't nonething because Ares stripped his ass of his power, now he became stripped again by Zeus(and was stupid enough to put his power into the blade)he then became Gaia's lackey b!tch. Eventually the Titans will get tired of healing Kratos, that's when Kain will strip his ass down, and bleed him dry, or still his soul Oh, Kain can freeze Kratos. Probably could mind-control him too.

Kratos was never 'stripped' of anything until GoWII (what Ares did was re-kill Kratos' family after stripping him of the Blades of Chaos), where like the case in CoO, he did it himself in the first place. Kratos by nature is a demigod, so at the very least his physical skills are also, by nature, his own, if just not realized prior to becoming Ares' ward. If the end of GoWII says anything, it's that he's the one with the Titans at the reins given that he has that which defeated them in the first place, among other things. Shoe-horning plot-based character flaws for the sake of weakening him doesn't work like you think it would when in the long run, the character in subject is in a league of his own in comparison to his teammate. Reason enough to nerf him in the first place I suppose, but that's besides both your point and mine.

Also, aside from the fact that the Kratos that Persephone TK'd was one that relinquished every ounce of power he had prior to the scene, Persephone showed little effort in performing it beyond moving her hand.

Play God of War, Ares stripped him to nonething, he took all his magic away (and even The Blades of Chaos). Kratos had to get The Blade of The Gods. Ares gave him power, just because he is the son of Zeus, that doesn't mean he has extrodinary abilities, Ares said all his strength came from him. If he was already a Demigod, what point would it be to give him power? The rest--I don't know WTF your talking about lol. Canoncially, he wasn't the son of Zeus. If it wasn't for Athena giving Kratos her Blades, most likely, he wouldn't have anything(unless he would have had a sword created when he became a God).

Hpaxz3kVbqw&feature=related Ares stripped him(and I find it odd that Ares can take God-given abilities from Kratos).

The fact is she knocked him down, and her TK isn't big.

Lack of usable magic meant more to PIS than actual inability to use it. If Ares stripped him completely of his powers, chances are he'd've been brought back human sized. Kratos is decsribed as being "trained by a God" suggesting a little more to things than just being given his physical skills, aside from the fact that Kratos was never even AWARE of being a Demigod until God of War II. Him not being the son of Zeus canonically is an outright lie, unless I'm missing something to what you said. I also really doubt Kratos as a God would've had problems with weapons seeing as Ares was capable of materializing different ones throughout the entire fight with Kratos.

That's only one fact to a string of facts that brought about the scene. There would be little need in the first place to use extensive TK on a Kratos that lost all his powers beforehand.

I didn't mean "strip" him in that term. But still, you see my point. Well, like I said, canoncially, he wasn't the son of Zeus, until the end of God of War II. Bascially that was just a video in God of War. He was just a normal human...=\

No, what's spoken canonically in the sequels applies directly to its predecessor unless said otherwise by officials. Kratos being Zeus' son is no different. It had been at least potentially established even with GoWI. The only thing changed is HOW Kratos discovered he was the son of Zeus. Canonically, it just wasn't REVEALED that Kratos was Zeus' son until GoW2, in the same sence with Vader/Leia and Luke in Star Wars, to name one example.

So it was stated official? Because it was just a video in GOWI. And aparently they chose the 'Zeus' Son' route.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The Golden fleece has only blocked and repelled physical powers furthermore, as I said kain has a vast array of time slowing powers.

How could you possibly know the weight, mass etc of Kratos' neck when he is running?

All Kain would have to do is stop him moving, he has a vast number of spells for that, and Kratos is not quick in the least so why you claim Kain could never stop him just beacuse hes moving is ridiculous. One TK push on Kratos' foot and he will trick over and be easy game for another TK grab.

I never said that it did, gumachi was talking about a hammer, which was what i was referring to.

Its not necassarily weight, its strength. Trying to "choke" or "stop" something with enough strength to do what kratos has done is ridiculous, especially from someone many, many times weaker than him.

Like dj said, tk is an invisible force, something that can be broken, its not impenetrable. Its almost like invisible hands that kratos cant see or touch, but it still applies force to him. So if this force is no where near enough of an amount of force to stop kratos, he could easily run right through it. I could sit there and hide around a corner, and if kratos comes running around and i stick my foot out he'll run right through my foot, it not even phasing him. I cant compare my strength to kains tk, but it would be the same thing, kratos strength plus the momentum of him moving would be like trying to stop a tank, except stonger and faster.

I never said kratos was quick, stop putting words in my mouth. Im simply saying that if kratos were jogging, that would be enough force to get past kains tk.

Your 2nd statement: Are you saying that Kain is weak?

Originally posted by k1Lla441
I never said that it did, gumachi was talking about a hammer, which was what i was referring to.

Its not necassarily weight, its strength. Trying to "choke" or "stop" something with enough strength to do what kratos has done is ridiculous, especially from someone many, many times weaker than him.

Like dj said, tk is an invisible force, something that can be broken, its not impenetrable. Its almost like invisible hands that kratos cant see or touch, but it still applies force to him. So if this force is no where near enough of an amount of force to stop kratos, he could easily run right through it. I could sit there and hide around a corner, and if kratos comes running around and i stick my foot out he'll run right through my foot, it not even phasing him. I cant compare my strength to kains tk, but it would be the same thing, kratos strength plus the momentum of him moving would be like trying to stop a tank, except stonger and faster.

I never said kratos was quick, stop putting words in my mouth. Im simply saying that if kratos were jogging, that would be enough force to get past kains tk.

Kratos has mostly strength feats with his arms and hands, very few are with his legs and none are with his neck, head, and its logical comapred ot real life that his strength would be next to no resistance to TK at his neck, so what he has shown is useless unless you find me a vid of him breaking rocks and monsters with his throat. Kain lifting Kratos in the air from the beginning which is fair game is a fine strategy, him being strong in his arms gives him no protection, the only way running will help him is if he was a very fast character which unfortunaltey for him, he is not.

Its an invisible force and an almost inangible force, its just mental energy, sure it makes physical effect but you cant grab it with your hands or punch your way out of it, its as simple as that. If Kain grabs Kratos by the neck, toe, head etc hes stuffed because he can do nothing...just wiggle like a worm on the end of a rod, he cant bring any strength, momentum to the table to break such a hold.

No its not lol, and no its not faster either, a modern tank can go over 60 mph and weighs 60+ tonnes, Kratos has neither values, all he has is higher strength shown by feats in his arms and legs, and tbh his more impressive strength feats were when he had half of his godly powers before Zeus had him drain them into BoO.

No it wouldnt, how would it? he would have no momentum when jogging at all so now your being ridiculous, I think your trying to reach out and give Kratos high strength in places hes never shown nor would likely have, infact the heavier you are up top like Kratos' build the easier it is to trip, Kratos would fall like a rock if he was running and then be dragged into the air like a toy with Kains TK, where he can do nothing.

If Kain TKs Kratos, wouldn't that mean he STILL can TK him? What I mean is, Kratos won't just "break" TK instantly. So, possibly, Kain still has some time to do whatever. Because he isn't going to instantly break TK as soon as he is grabbed.

What they mean is that Kain wont be able to Tk kratos because Kratos is stronger than what Kain can TK, they dont realise that his strength is worthless if he is in the air, or on certain vulerable parts of his body where he could not excert any strength to get rid of any TK.

That's why I said he could TK the BoO out of his hands. I thought he could only TK his body? Why didn't he just "break" Ares' TK? It's not like it was 1000s of times better.

Originally posted by Burning thought
What they mean is that Kain wont be able to Tk kratos because Kratos is stronger than what Kain can TK, they dont realise that his strength is worthless if he is in the air, or on certain vulerable parts of his body where he could not excert any strength to get rid of any TK.

Originally posted by Gumachi
That's why I said he could TK the BoO out of his hands. I thought he could only TK his body? Why didn't he just "break" Ares' TK? It's not like it was 1000s of times better.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Kain only tk the mobius who was a frail old man

Who has the same amout of strength feats from his neck as Kratos, zero. Much like any being

Originally posted by Phanteros
like anyone from dmc had any better TK

Never said anyone did have better TK.