Originally posted by BattlehammerWhen he fought Kingpin, you know, the person who beats on DD and Cap, he completely embarrassed him. The same Kingpin who usually gives Spiderman trouble was nothing to Spiderman in BnB.
Not really and he was doing so against humans not meta. when he fought meta blood lusted he just rushes them blindly attacking.
So tell me, how was he not fighting better?
Originally posted by Mindset
When he fought Kingpin, you know, the person who beats on DD and Cap, he completely embarrassed him. The same Kingpin who usually gives Spiderman trouble.So tell me, how was he not fighting better?
he hasent been his classic days self in like 10 years. spiderman doing that isent nearly as impressive as you make it sound.
last time he gave spiderman trouble was 15 years ago.
Originally posted by BattlehammerHow many fights has Kingpin recently had?
oh pleases king pin hasent been shown that ways in utter years. in recent years he gotten his ass kick by DD.he hasent been his classic days self in like 10 years. spiderman doing that isent nearly as impressive as you make it sound.
last time he gave spiderman trouble was 15 years ago.
So you ignore most of his showings because they are too old for you, because one recent fight shows him being beaten by DD...right, I'll remember that in the next Wolverine thread.
Originally posted by Mindset
How many fights has Kingpin recently had?So you ignore most of his showings because they are too old for you, because one recent fight shows him being beaten by DD...right, I'll remember that in the next Wolverine thread.
No I saying there a differences between classic king pin and current one. Classic one was far more impressive. Current one not nearly so. I mean basing spidermans blood lust based on a single fight with some one, does not erases countless other times he was blood lusted. Also doesent make senses to assume that king pin was the same as his classic self when he has not shown to be that impressive at all in like what 10 years.
Originally posted by BattlehammerIf you can't name more than one fight that contradicts his earlier appearances, how can you assume he is not as strong as he used to be?
No idea.No I saying there a differences between classic king pin and current one. Classic one was far more impressive. Current one not nearly so. I mean basing spidermans blood lust based on a single fight with some one, does not erases countless other times he was blood lusted. Also doesent make senses to assume that king pin was the same as his classic self when he has not shown to be that impressive at all in like what 10 years.
Oh ok, you want to use past instances of Spiderman bloodlusted and not the current one, that makes a lot of sense, I mean yea, one showing does not erase the past ones, of course.
Originally posted by BattlehammerWhy do you love it?
tell me when was the last time he even beat some one of merit or shown to have any incredible abiltiies? also I love how your using up graded spidy as evidences of classic level spidy he currently is.
Spiderman always had the speed and strength to embarrass Kingpin, just not the will to let loose and use his full powers.
Originally posted by Mindset
Why do you love it?Spiderman always had the speed and strength to embarrass Kingpin, just not the will to let loose and use his full powers.
Classic Spidey and KP are evenly matched in strength
http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=514rs9.jpg
actaully classic kingpin and classic spiderman were the same strength it ahd nothing to do with spiderman holding back
Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes they were. reptedly shown in there fights the fisk was just as strong. fisk dident seem to retain such strength after the silver age however. actaully fisk seemed stronger at times
Does that mean you are convinced Fisk was a 10 - 25 ton range in strength? Or that Spider-man was in the 800 lbs range? Same as Fisk? I would call that scan a bad bit of writing if a 800 lbs Fisk could hold a 10+ ton Spider-man by the wrists. It stinks of PIS no?
Originally posted by Mindset
You mean in the fights were Spiderman beats Kingpin, even though he is holding back so as not to seriously hurt Kingpin, while Kingpin is trying to kill him.What fights were they shown to be equal in strength?
And what do you base your depowerment of Kingpin on, one fight?
No I base it off the last 10 years. show me something that puts him at his classic level. he hasent shown anything like he did when he was a spiderman villain. He uses to wreck DD. last 3 encounters I believe fisk got his ass kciked. dude uses to easily over power capt, but if not mistaken had trouble break chains now a days. There a distinct differences between how he shown now and how he was shown back during his creation
I am no expert on the matter. I ask dark crawler or digi. They both much more knowledgeable on the differences between classic king pin and current one
Originally posted by Juk3n
Does that mean you are convinced Fisk was a 10 - 25 ton range in strength? Or that Spider-man was in the 800 lbs range? Same as Fisk? I would call that scan a bad bit of writing if a 800 lbs Fisk could hold a 10+ ton Spider-man by the wrists. It stinks of PIS no?
Originally posted by BattlehammerHe doesn't need to dodge as often because he's usually wailing them into submission. Show me several scans whereupon Spiderman's bloodlust ends up costing him an advantage in a fight. I won't even ask you for scans where his bloodlust loses him a fight outright. Just show me where his bloodlust clearly costs him an advantage in the fight.
been there done that. Own most of the comics dark crawler used in the respect thread. Spiderman a lot more wrecklesses when he bloodlusted. he just tries and wails on people, doesent dodge as often.
Then maybe I'll take your statement seriously.
Originally posted by BattlehammerNo, you showed one panel where Fisk grabbed his arms.
I just showed the scan of King pin stalemating spiderman in strength. Go take a gander at his respect thread. they have all there classic encounters. King Pin was always shown as being just as strong.
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3047/feat15fight1ni5.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8949/feat15fight2fz9.jpg
Where's his equivalent strength here?
And again, you seem to be ignoring the fact that Spiderman holds back against humans. Unless you think Doc Ock and Vulture have the same level of durability as Vermin and Doc Connors.
