Originally posted by EnyalusNot really.
You're using that as evidence? Anakin was the chosen one. He'd have been twice as powerful as Sidious or Yoda at his full potential. When he beat Dooku, he was in somekind of 'crystal clarity' mode. Totally calm. Doesn't happen very often. The novel mentions Anakin struck with the force of a meteor strike, and was only getting stronger as the battle wore on, his stamina increasing. He basically has unlimited force reserves, while Dooku was forced to draw on more and more powerful just to parry Anakin's blows.An 'in the zone' Anakin demolishes anyone in saber combat.
When he fought Dooku he wasn't at full potential, he never reaches full potential. Anakin was just simply better than Dooku, Dooku should have killed him when he had the chance.
What makes you think Anakin beats anyone in a saber fight?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Pay attention especially to the second scan. He not only uses the darkness within himself, but also in the other person. That's how he can reflect their abilities back at them. Everything I said was corrected and backed up. This is how Vaapad works.
Not seeing how this proves your point. it says nothing of gaining your opponets abilties. It says haft of the loop is your self the other is that of darknesses. Him transforming that darkness in ones self into power. It not him using his opponets powers, it him using his own powers.
also what book is that?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not seeing how this proves your point. it says nothing of gaining your opponets abilties. It says haft of the loop is your self the other is that of darknesses. Him transforming that darkness in ones self into power. It not him using his opponets powers, it him using his own powers.also what book is that?
Accepting and embracing the fury of the opponent. One half is his own Darkness. One half is the opponent. That's what completes the 'superconducting loop.'
It's Jedi vs. Sith, Essential Guide to the Force.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Accepting and embracing the fury of the opponent. One half is his own Darkness. One half is the opponent. That's what completes the 'superconducting loop.'It's Jedi vs. Sith, Essential Guide to the Force.
Not to mention he created the style sparing with another jedi. It not jsut effective vs sith, that a misconceptiuon of the style.
Originally posted by Enyalus
馃槵 It's not nice to beat up 83 year olds.But seriously, Dooku's far more skilled in the force, and mastered/uses the 'ultimate refinement in lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat.'
Dooku's style is too laid back and relaxed. Vaapaad has an advantage against it in my opinion. Mace has a lot of strength and a lot of power in his attacks.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes and? that doesent mean he gains power from his opponets. also says the loop never touches him. He also stated before if not mistaken his version on the form give him incredable speed.Not to mention he created the style sparing with another jedi. It not jsut effective vs sith, that a misconceptiuon of the style.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Dooku's style is too laid back and relaxed. Vaapaad has an advantage against it in my opinion. Mace has a lot of strength and a lot of power in his attacks.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Dooku's style is too laid back and relaxed. Vaapaad has an advantage against it in my opinion. Mace has a lot of strength and a lot of power in his attacks.
Originally posted by Enyalus
If you read the ROTS novelization, you'd know otherwise. Because during his fight with Palpatine, its explained directly.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Novel is not the end all be all either. also dont recall that at all and ive read that battle. He dident gain powers from palp it was already his existing powers.
Within the public office of the Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic, a last Jedi Master battled alone, blade-to-blade, against a living shadow.
Sinking into Vaapad, Mace Windu fought for his life.
More than his life: each whirl of blade and whipcrack of lightning was a strike in defense of democracy, of justice and peace, of the rights of ordinary beings to live their own lives in their own ways.
He was fighting for the Republic that he loved.
Vaapad, the seventh form of lightsaber combat, takes its name from a notoriously dangerous predator native to the moons of Sarapin: a vaapad attacks its prey with whipping strikes of its blindingly fast tentacles. Most have at least seven. It is not uncommon for them to have as many as twelve; the largest ever killed had twenty-three. With a vaapad, one never knew how many tentacles it had until it was dead: they move too fast to count. Almost too fast to see. So did Mace's blade.
Vaapad is as aggressive and powerful as its namesake, but its power comes at great risk: immersion in Vaapad opens the gates that restrain one's inner darkness. To use Vaapad, a Jedi must allow himself to enjoy the fight; he must give himself over to the thrill of battle. The rush of winning. Vaapad is a path that leads through the penumbra of the dark side.
Mace Windu created this style, and he was its only living master.
This was Vaapad's ultimate test.
Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind-the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.
The shadow he fought, that blur of speed-could that be Palpatine?
Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them-But he could feel them in the Force.
The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent.
And it was darkening.
Anakin could feel how the Force fed upon the shadow's murderous exaltation; he could feel fury spray into the Force though some poisonous abscess had crested in both their hearts.
There was no Jedi restraint here.
Mace Windu was cutting loose.
Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being.
Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways. He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center-And let it fountain out again.
He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt.
There was a time when Mace Windu had feared the power of the dark; there was a time when he had feared the darkness in himself. But the Clone Wars had given him a gift of understanding: on a world called Haruun Kal, he had faced his darkness and had learned that the power of darkness is not to be feared.
He had learned that it is fear that gives the darkness power.
He was not afraid. The darkness had no power over him. But-Neither did he have power over it.
Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow; they became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office. There was no scrap of carpet nor shred of chair that might not at any second disintegrate in flares of red or purple; lampstands became brief shields, sliced into segments that whirled through the air; couches became terrain to be climbed for advantage or overleapt in retreat. But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.
Impasse.
Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift.
The only reason Mace was able to stand against Palpatine's absurd speed (speed enough to fight Yoda as an equal) was because he was using Palpatine's own speed against him...which resulted in an impasse, as the novel points out. That is, until Mace uses his shatterpoint.
馃檪
Originally posted by Enyalus
The novel was edited by Lucas himself. Its still C-canon, but its as close as any C-canon can get to being G-canon. Here's part of the fight in question from the novel:Within the public office of the Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic, a last Jedi Master battled alone, blade-to-blade, against a living shadow.
[b]Sinking into Vaapad
, Mace Windu fought for his life.More than his life: each whirl of blade and whipcrack of lightning was a strike in defense of democracy, of justice and peace, of the rights of ordinary beings to live their own lives in their own ways.
He was fighting for the Republic that he loved.
Vaapad, the seventh form of lightsaber combat, takes its name from a notoriously dangerous predator native to the moons of Sarapin: a vaapad attacks its prey with whipping strikes of its blindingly fast tentacles. Most have at least seven. It is not uncommon for them to have as many as twelve; the largest ever killed had twenty-three. With a vaapad, one never knew how many tentacles it had until it was dead: they move too fast to count. Almost too fast to see. So did Mace's blade.
Vaapad is as aggressive and powerful as its namesake, but its power comes at great risk: immersion in Vaapad opens the gates that restrain one's inner darkness. To use Vaapad, a Jedi must allow himself to enjoy the fight; he must give himself over to the thrill of battle. The rush of winning. Vaapad is a path that leads through the penumbra of the dark side.
Mace Windu created this style, and he was its only living master.
This was Vaapad's ultimate test.
Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind-the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.
The shadow he fought, that blur of speed-could that be Palpatine?
Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them-But he could feel them in the Force.
The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent.
And it was darkening.
Anakin could feel how the Force fed upon the shadow's murderous exaltation; he could feel fury spray into the Force though some poisonous abscess had crested in both their hearts.
There was no Jedi restraint here.
Mace Windu was cutting loose.
Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being.
Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways. He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center-And let it fountain out again.
He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt.
There was a time when Mace Windu had feared the power of the dark; there was a time when he had feared the darkness in himself. But the Clone Wars had given him a gift of understanding: on a world called Haruun Kal, he had faced his darkness and had learned that the power of darkness is not to be feared.
He had learned that it is fear that gives the darkness power.
He was not afraid. The darkness had no power over him. But-Neither did he have power over it.
Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow; they became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office. There was no scrap of carpet nor shred of chair that might not at any second disintegrate in flares of red or purple; lampstands became brief shields, sliced into segments that whirled through the air; couches became terrain to be climbed for advantage or overleapt in retreat. But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.
Impasse.
Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift.
The only reason Mace was able to stand against Palpatine's absurd speed (speed enough to fight Yoda as an equal) was because he was using Palpatine's own speed against him...which resulted in an impasse, as the novel points out. That is, until Mace uses his shatterpoint.
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nothing from that indicates he not as fast as Yoda.
also were was it ever stated be personally editted by Lucas?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Matt Stover's (the author's) personal blog.Not editted. Looked over. To make sure the movie script fit into the novel's script. The novel was released before the movie.
so was the comic doesent mean Lucas looked at it. also isent the comic C-Cannon?
also in the movie anakin does not even show up untill palp defeated.......which was the entire point on why he cut windu arm off, it looked as if windu had palp an old man defeated upon the ground
Originally posted by Enyalus
I didn't realize there was an ROTS comic.Yes, both the comic and novel are C-canon. But as you can see, the novel just adds more detail to the movie. Doesn't contradict anything.
yes it does, it has anakin there when he wasent which is dirrectly controdiction to the movie
