Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yes it was. Genis said he crushed him in his fist:
I love Genis, but he is crazy.
That must have been some powerful bondage, to reduce, Eternity to the point where it can fit in the palm of Genis' hand, can be crushed like an insect, and can be truly destroyed.
Like I said, it actually happened off panel.
Either he is over exaggerating, like he has done before, or Eternity was severely hindered.
Either way, debatable...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWhen has he over-exaggerated his own power?
I love Genis, but he is crazy.That must have been some powerful bondage, to reduce, Eternity to the point where it can fit in the palm of Genis' hand, can be crushed like an insect, and can be truly destroyed.
Like I said, it actually happened off panel.
Either he is over exaggerating, like he has done before, or Eternity was severely hindered.
Either way, debatable...
Yea, we know Eternity was hindered, he was bound.
Originally posted by Mindset
All abstracts have physical manifestations.Never said, mentioned, or hinted at that the bonding brought his power level down.
If I recall, they have M-Bodies through the dimension of Manifestations.
Eternity isn't a true physical being. He is more of a manifestation.
You can't actually destroy Eternity, by crushing him in the palm of you're hand last I checked.
So either Genis-Vell was over exaggerating as that was only something akin to a hologram, or the bonds reduced Eternity to that point.
Either way, subjective.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYea, and if you kill these manifestations the abstract is killed as well, like when they were destroyed by the IG or HOTU.
If I recall, they have M-Bodies through the dimension of Manifestations.Eternity isn't a true physical being. He is more of a manifestation.
You can't actually destroy Eternity, by crushing him in the palm of you're hand last I checked.
So either Genis-Vell was over exaggerating as that was only something akin to a hologram, or the bonds reduced Eternity to that point.
Either way, subjective.
Originally posted by Mindset
When has he over-exaggerated his own power?Yea, we know Eternity was hindered, he was bound.
When he calls himself God.
He was bound. Was his power reduced significantly when he was bound?
Something was done so that Genis-Vell and Entropy could actually physically destroy him. According to Genis-Vell, in the palm of his hand at that.
So don't take that at face value. Genis-Vell didn't actually destroy Eternity on his own, and Eternity was bound so easily because it was practically willing, according to Genis-Vell.
Originally posted by Enyalus
It isn't an exaggeration to say Genis had the power on his own to destroy the MU. Since, if Photon continued to exist, that's exactly what he would have done. And Thanos did destroy the MU using the HOTU, which is a part of Genis' soul. 😬
Context.
Photon would have destroyed the Universe because Baron Zemo, siphoned of energy from the beginning and the end of the Universe. Hence why Baron Zemo destroyed Photon. He was a risk to the entire Universe.
Has he shown that he has access to all the Infinite Power of the Heart of the Universe?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYou might want to actually look back at the comic where he calls himself God, it happened, I believe twice, he was joking one time and the other he was making a point.
When he calls himself God.He was bound. Was his power reduced significantly when he was bound?
Something was done so that Genis-Vell and Entropy could actually physically destroy him. According to Genis-Vell, in the palm of his hand at that.
So don't take that at face value. Genis-Vell didn't actually destroy Eternity on his own, and Eternity was bound so easily because it was practically willing, according to Genis-Vell.
Eternity could always been physically destroyed, this has been shown, they didn't have to do anything.
The actually destruction of Eternity was entirely Genis's doing. Actually looking back Genis and Entropy worked together to trap him. Yea, he was bound easily, that doesn't have anything to do with him being destroyed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Context.Photon would have destroyed the Universe because Baron Zemo, siphoned of energy from the beginning and the end of the Universe.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Has he shown that he has access to all the Infinite Power of the Heart of the Universe?
Originally posted by Enyalus
You're...not saying that correctly. Zemo recreated Photon, using energy from the Big Bang and Entropy to create Photon's new body. So yes, that his very existence, every second Photon existed, threatened to destroy Eternity and all existence.[/B]
Not saying it correctly?
He healed him by feeding him energy from the beginning and end of the Universe, which is the Big Bang and Entropy. How did I say it wrong?
That made Photon, a danger to the Universe.
All circumstance.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Sure he has access to it all. Whether he can use it anywhere near as well Thanos could is extremely doubtful. Amping his own strength, for instance, has its limits. He can amp himself to roughly the power of a large star, but any more than that and he himself goes nova (which is no problem, really, considering Genis can exist as pure energy or as a spirit.) Channeling the power into blasts, though? I don't think he'd have any problems accessing it there. [/B]
So he has been shown to have access to power of the Heart of the Universe? On such a scale he can access it's Full Power?
I thought I read every issue Genis-Vell has appeared in. Guess I missed something.
I'm honestly intrigued. I've never seen Genis-Vell wield a power as immense as the Heart of the Universe and all it's glory.
Originally posted by Mindset
You might want to actually look back at the comic where he calls himself God, it happened, I believe twice, he was joking one time and the other he was making a point.
I have all the comics. Like I said, he is rather crazy, and has been known to say nonsense in the past.
Originally posted by Mindset
Eternity could always been physically destroyed, this has been shown, they didn't have to do anything.
Eternity is the physical embodiment of time and space. You cannot truly destroy Eternity without destroying all time and space.
If I am right, I recall that Thanos with the Heart of the Universe, grew to incalculable size, had Eternity in the palm of his hand, and willed him to begone. Eternity comics back next issue completely unharmed.
Eternity, exists on another plane. It's is beyond simply physical attacks.
I honestly am shocked that you think Eternity can be crushed in the palm of Genis-Vell's hands and that Genis-Vell can do it without those circumstances.
At least that's what it seems to me from you're posts.
Originally posted by Mindset
The actually destruction of Eternity was entirely Genis's doing. Actually looking back Genis and Entropy worked together to trap him. Yea, he was bound easily, that doesn't have anything to do with him being destroyed.
This exactly what I'm talking about. With statements like this, one would think, that Genis-Vell, can crush abstracts like Eternity.
They bound him in some unknown manner, while he was basically willing, and supposedly he was crushed by Genis-Vell, which all happened off panel. This alone shows that Eternity, wasn't truly at optimum.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not saying it correctly?He healed him by feeding him energy from the beginning and end of the Universe, which is the Big Bang and Entropy. How did I say it wrong?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So he has been shown to have access to power of the Heart of the Universe? On such a scale he can access it's Full Power?I thought I read every issue Genis-Vell has appeared in. Guess I missed something.
I'm honestly intrigued. I've never seen Genis-Vell wield a power as immense as the Heart of the Universe and all it's glory.
Genis flat out states 4-5 times that he wields 'infinite power' and is 'omnipotent.' And...since he controls all energy, even if we ignore the HOTU part, he's got a pretty good point.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Eternity is the physical embodiment of time and space. You cannot truly destroy Eternity without destroying all time and space.
Originally posted by Enyalus
You made it sound like Zemo drained off energy from the beginning and end of time, thus weakening Eternity. 😛 You didn't say anything about him using it to reconstruct Photon, lol.
I thought you read the issue, meaning you already knew the context.
You can't say I was wrong. 😛
Originally posted by EnyalusGenis flat out states 4-5 times that he wields 'infinite power' and is 'omnipotent.' And...since he controls all energy, even if we ignore the HOTU part, he's got a pretty good point.[/B]
I know he is connected to the Heart of the Universe. We both know that. I believe I read every issue he has ever appeared in.
What I am asking is, does he have access to it's unlimited power? Has he shown that he can access it's full power?
From what I recall, the answer is no. I don't remember every exact detail of his history, hence why I asked. Dont make me dig....
Genis-Vell is Omniscient to a point. He is not Omnipotent and God etc. like he claims.
That much is evident. Plus, that title belongs only to one.
Originally posted by Enyalus
That's what happened when Genis destroyed Eternity. The entire MU was...gone.
I've already been through this before.
Okay man, I have to go now. Good night. Well continue this interesting conversation tommorow.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought you read the issue, meaning you already knew the context.You can't say I was wrong. 😛
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know he is connected to the Heart of the Universe. We both know that. I believe I read every issue he has ever appeared in.What I am asking is, does he have access to it's unlimited power? Has he shown that he can access it's full power?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That much is evident. Plus, that title belongs only to one.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've already been through this before.
Genis had help binding him. Stated fact. Genis was the one who killed him. Another stated fact. Eternity had a cosmic case of apathy. Implied fact. But no where does it insinuate that Eternity was somehow weaker. So, I don't see how you can make a case for it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay man, I have to go now. Good night. Well continue this interesting conversation tommorow.
Night.
