Originally posted by EnyalusAnd Thanos did destroy the MU using the HOTU,
which is a part of Genis' soul
Genis (my fav character) has absolutely no relation to THOTI from Marvel:The End.
Originally posted by EnyalusGenis had help binding him. Stated fact.
Genis was the one who killed him.Another stated fact. Eternity had a cosmic case of apathy. Implied fact.
But no where does it insinuate that Eternity was somehow weaker.
Genis himself admits,
that if Eternity would not have been in this predicament,
they wouldn't have been able to even bound Eternity let alone kill em.
Still though,
we can't take away from the fact that Genis did destroy all that space-time regardless,
only catch is that Eternity had to be in his death-throes first.
But let's not forget friends,
that aside,
Genis did have the potential to obliterate space-time,
proven during HOM when Wanda accelerated his potential
which allowed him to blink a universe in and out.
Further proven later on when he transitioned into Photon,
and was seen in the future eliminating all realities.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Sure. But for the people who didn't know, I was clarifying your potentially misleading statement. 😛
It's not misleading.
Originally posted by Enyalus
He says he does...
Let's see him using it's Infinite Power.
The Heart of the Universe, doesn't mean he has access to the same power as Thanos does.
I've never seen him show the ability to access it.
As I recall, he is referring to another power source either way.
So even at full power he obviously won't be as powerful as Thanos was in anyway.
Originally posted by Enyalus
If your name was Victor von Doom or your screen name 'Enyalus' that would be true. As it stands, the statement you made is very much false.
What?
I'm confused. Are you saying that my statement that Genis-Vell calling himself God is a lie, is untrue?
That doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah, your contention was that Eternity was weakened beforehand or Genis had assistance destroying him. I was skipping that, and pointing out that when Eternity was destroyed by Genis (as is explicitly stated), the MU ceased to exist. Confirmed in later CM issues, Marvel.com, and probably Eternity's bio.
Yes he was destroyed by Genis-Vell, but I was pointing out that there was circumstances in play, that is all.
I never disputed the fact that Eternity was destroyed. I know that, but there were circumstances in play that allowed that to happen.
It was Entropy's destiny, in the cosmic drama, to destroy Eternity. It was time, also Eternity was willing hence why they were able to bound it, and it was Eternity's time.
So like I said, either Eternity was obviously reduced significantly, or it's transition period had come, and that's why it happened.
You get what I'm trying to say?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Genis had help binding him. Stated fact. Genis was the one who killed him. Another stated fact. Eternity had a cosmic case of apathy. Implied fact. But no where does it insinuate that Eternity was somehow weaker. So, I don't see how you can make a case for it.
I said there are two possibilities yesterday as I recall. It was either weakened severely by bondage etc. or seeing as how it was willing, plus it was time for the transition, that is what allowed Eternity, the embodiment of time and space to be destroyed by such beings.
Those are the two scenarios I said that are possible if I recall that make sense to me.
It was Eternity's time to die or something along those lines, and it was willing hence why they were able to bound it. So either circumstances allowed it to happen, or he was weakened. I personally go for the former.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Or will we? Dun dun dunnnn!
We are. At least I am...
😕
Originally posted by Enyalus
Night.
Good afternoon.
😄
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's Eternity/Infinity's heart he's talking about,
[b]not The Heart of the Infinite (TOAA's power withIN the omniverse)Genis (my fav character) has absolutely no relation to THOTI from Marvel:The End. [/B]
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm confused. Are you saying that my statement that Genis-Vell calling himself God is a lie, is untrue?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You get what I'm trying to say?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I said there are two possibilities yesterday as I recall. It was either weakened severely by bondage etc.
Kinky.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Good afternoon.😄
Originally posted by Enyalus
Do you have a better explanation? I know you've probably read the issue, so...on the previous page, he was telling Magus about his cosmic awareness. And on that page (scan posted) he says its because his soul is part of the living Heart of the Universe. Now, we know Genis' cosmic awareness is omniversal, so he couldn't have been playing a metaphor game and using 'Heart of the Universe!' in a literal, strictly universal sense.
Wasnt the "Heart of the universe" just a name that thanos coined for the "Heart of the infinite" energy source? I mean Genis was clearly talking about the universe and its sentience, hence the references to its living soul etc. I would think it more likely then that he was referring to Eternity/Infinity.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Wasnt the "Heart of the universe" just a name that thanos coined for the "Heart of the infinite" energy source?
Originally posted by Naija boy
I mean Genis was clearly talking about the universe and its sentience, hence the references to its living soul etc. I would think it more likely then that he was referring to Eternity/Infinity.
Originally posted by EnyalusWhy would he be referring to the universe, when he was using the 'living heart of the universe' line to explain to Magus his cosmic awareness, which is omniversal in scale? [/B]
The same reason that "omniverse" ,"multiverse" and "universe" are used interchangeably. Still the point is that he seemed to be referring to the universe/multiverse/omniverse or whatever u want to call it in regards to its embodiment and totality. Therefore its not very likely that he was talking about the HOTU itself.
Originally posted by Naija boy
The same reason that "omniverse" ,"multiverse" and "universe" are used interchangeably.
...2 + 2 = 4. 🙂
Originally posted by Enyalus
Exactly. The HOTU was obviously called 'Universe' when it was in fact omniversal. Genis was speaking about something which was omniversal, using the same HOTU reference.
2 + 2 = 4. 🙂
Yes but the HOTU is an independent energy source. Genis wasnt refferring to such but rather was referring to the "cosmos" in its totality. That would be Eternity/Infinity.Whether they/it embodies a universe/multiverse/omniverse is up to the writers choice of words.
Originally posted by EnyalusDo you have a better explanation?
I know you've probably read the issue, so...on the previous page, he was telling Magus about his cosmic awareness. And on that page (scan posted) he says its because his soul is part of the living Heart of the Universe. Now, we know Genis' cosmic awareness is omniversal, so he couldn't have been playing a metaphor game and using 'Heart of the Universe!' in a literal, strictly universal sense.
Roma, the Omniversal guardian said it best concerning Eternity:
"Eternity .... withIN it ... ALL That Ever Was, Ever Is, or Ever Will Be"
Originally posted by Mr Master
Eternity/Infinity together comprise the totality of everything,
many times Eternity is referenced alone, but it's both actually.
Right. Okay. But how does Genis keep his powers when Eternity is destroyed, like he clearly did, if that's in fact where he gets them from? Also, its very weird to think Genis' soul is a core part of the abstract Eternity, or that his Cosmic Awareness comes from there - considering he seems to have better cosmic awarness than Eternity himself. And lastly, why assume 'the living Heart of the Universe' is referring to Genis when he says it, while Eternity is not referenced at all?
To me, it seems like a big jump in logic. And again, if his soul is part of the core of Eternity, and Eternity was killed (as Genis in fact did do), then...why was Genis still alive/powered?
That doesn't seem to make sense to me.
