Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Sufficient force as in a God Blast from Thor which is magic and Hulk backed by Celestial technology which is higher than Cyttorak.
Celestial technology has been defeated on a number of occasions, and last I checked, that Celestial technology, wasn't augmenting War Hulk with mystical abilities.
A weakened Thor by the way. A severely weakened Thor.
The thing is is the speedforce > Cyttorak. I seriously doubt that. I don't see any speedster being able to even remotely harm cyttorak. And hitting with the force of a white dwarf doesn't matter to juggs. Physical force doesn't harm him. And he's shown he can keep moving forward even if he's being levitated in mid air. Also hitting an immovable object at the speed of light with your "infinite" mass would create a shockwave that would rip the planet apart. Thus killing the flash.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Celestial technology has been defeated on a number of occasions, and last I checked, that Celestial technology, wasn't augmenting War Hulk with mystical abilities.A weakened Thor by the way. A severely weakened Thor.
All celestial technology isn't the same and as Apoc said it was doing just what he thought it would and it proved to be greater than The Juggernaut. The tech was what made Hulk stop him, not Hulk's strength.
It was still a GB from Thor and it was still magic.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
The thing is is the speedforce > Cyttorak. I seriously doubt that. I don't see any speedster being able to even remotely harm cyttorak. And hitting with the force of a white dwarf doesn't matter to juggs. Physical force doesn't harm him. And he's shown he can keep moving forward even if he's being levitated in mid air. Also hitting an immovable object at the speed of light with your "infinite" mass would create a shockwave that would rip the planet apart. Thus killing the flash.
Speed Force doesn't have to be superior to Cytorrak to stop the Juggernaut.
Since when does one have to be superior to Cytorrak to stop Juggernaut?
Beings obviously below Cytorrak stopped Juggernaut before.
Destroying the planet?
This isn't a fight. It's a thread to see whether or not Juggernaut can be stopped by the Flash.
Either way, with his ability to transcend time and space, destroying a planet won't stop him, and Flash has shown he can survive, and run in a vacuum.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
All celestial technology isn't the same and as Apoc said it was doing just what he thought it would and it proved to be greater than The Juggernaut. The tech was what made Hulk stop him, not Hulk's strength.It was still a GB from Thor and it was still magic.
Last I checked, Celestial technology, is Celestial technology. I don't recall Apocalypse saying that he was using some different brand of Celestial technology in Flash that he wasn't privy to before.
Like I said, the technology amped Hulk, but I don't recall it amping him with mystical abilities of any sort.
True enough.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Last I checked, Celestial technology, is Celestial technology. I don't recall Apocalypse saying that he was using some different brand of Celestial technology in Flash that he wasn't privy to before.Like I said, the technology amped Hulk, but I don't recall it amping him with mystical abilities of any sort.
True enough.
So there is only one celestial in the MU? Thats like saying the Gem of Cyttorak is equal to the Wand of Watoomb.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
So there is only one celestial in the MU? Thats like saying the Gem of Cyttorak is equal to the Wand of Watoomb.
That's a really faulty analogy.
Last I checked, Apocalypse, doesn't get Celestial technology, from different Celestials, every certain period of time.
He never said that he augmented the Hulk with Celestial technology he did not have access to before.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A weakened Thor by the way. A severely weakened Thor.
Will you stop with this nonsense please? Several pages before he uses the GF blast he states clearly that his dizziness spell has been lifted and his strength was returning. In no way was Thor weakened when he fired the GF blast at Juggernaut.
Flash would most likely go splat.
Originally posted by jalek moye
so is there a difference or not? was he tapping into more pwoer or somthing?
Honestly I can't say, both sides have compelling arguments, but IIRC, Cain himself has never said he was feeling more powerful or anything like that. I know Thor did, but Thor doesn't really know Cain's body or Cyttorak. He was however more impressive during that arc.