Originally posted by kgkg
So Gravity > Light Speed?
Originally posted by Mindset
As the ship reaches c it would gain mass, as would the fuel
Originally posted by EnyalusWouldn't an increase of mass would mean there should be an increase in the amount of fuel.
Gravity is one of the fundamental forces. 😛Right. The fuel would get heavier. Probably rip through the hull. I don't get how that equates to there being more of it or the fuel getting more powerful?
I think Juggy wins this easily. The Flash is underrated alot, but Jugg's abilities don't help the Flash at all. Speed stealing won't help since Jugg's ablilities are magical. Running at lightspeed into, or thru Jugg's won't help. His personal forcefield, and the magic of Cyttorak would protect him. Juggy wins.
Originally posted by MindsetProviding the ship itself could handle these stressors, then theoretically, yes. However, this is one of those volume and mass questions.
Wouldn't an increase of mass would mean there should be an increase in the amount of fuel.
As you know, mass is the quantity of matter that a body possesses as normally measured by its inertia (gravity has no bearing here.) Volume, on the other hand, is the space occupied as normally measured by cubic units. (ie. volume is the amount of room something takes up - mass is the amount of matter in that something.)
The key factor here is that usually an increase in mass denotes an increase in volume (ie. if you pressurize certain gases, their mass will drastically increase - but so will the volume of space said gas occupies.) Thus, the ship would have to, in some way, allow for nigh-infinite changes such as the above. Variables as simple as those are why we (the human race) can't perceive any solid mass moving at c.
The d=m/v equation would also be helpful to this question. If you don't know the density of a substance, then knowing the volume tells you nothing about the mass, and vice versa.
Of course, all of the above is my speaking from a perspective untainted by the speed force. 🙂
Does juggernaut no longer have his forcefield? And having infinite mass doesn't mean you have infinite durability. When you smash into something going near the speed of light, and that something doesn't move, you either bfr yourself when your brain smashes into your own skull moving at the speed of light, or you die.
Originally posted by Galan007
I see that you did not understand the point of my post. At all.
If I don't get it, it's you're fault not mine. Be more clear and elaborate more, damn it.
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Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, the Martian (Zum) instance was even lesser. When Flash IMP'd him in that instance, Zum just reached escape velocity. I've seen several characters hit/throw that hard.
He simply one shotted him and he hit so hard he hit escape velocity.
It is less than a White Dwarf Star's mass compressed and used as a fist.
Originally posted by carver9
When has flash ever reach light speed instantly? I have never witnessed that recently, without speed stealing.
His done it before not to long ago.
He reached faster than light speeds in about one or two steps.
He doesn't need to speed steal to reach those speeds. Post retcon Wally West "might" have some problems, but definetly not Pre retcon Wally West has no problem with that.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Does juggernaut no longer have his forcefield? And having infinite mass doesn't mean you have infinite durability. When you smash into something going near the speed of light, and that something doesn't move, you either bfr yourself when your brain smashes into your own skull moving at the speed of light, or you die.
Wally West has incredible durability.
His hit objects at speeds of light before and his fist isn't jello.
Speed Force = As much durability as you need
I'm aware of the Flash's abilities, but his powers are still considered in the natural laws of the universe. Jugg's powers are magical. I don't see Wally beating him. Maybe landing five quick blows at light speed which would definitely hurt Jugg's but not take him out. After that he raises his force field, heals, and begins a slow attack. Compared to the Flash...
Originally posted by SIAFON
I'm aware of the Flash's abilities, but his powers are still considered in the natural laws of the universe. Jugg's powers are magical. I don't see Wally beating him. Maybe landing five quick blows at light speed which would definitely hurt Jugg's but not take him out. After that he raises his force field, heals, and begins a slow attack. Compared to the Flash...
First of all, this isn't a fight.
Second of all, you don't have to use magic to stop Juggernaut. This has been proven. Sufficient force has stopped him cold before.
The Flash's powers are not in the natural laws of the Universe. He breaks the laws of physics constantly, and the Speed Force has shown to affect even the mystically empowered.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
First of all, this isn't a fight.Second of all, you don't have to use magic to stop Juggernaut. This has been proven. Sufficient force has stopped him cold before.
The Flash's powers are not in the natural laws of the Universe. He breaks the laws of physics constantly, and the Speed Force has shown to affect even the mystically empowered.
Sufficient force as in a God Blast from Thor which is magic and Hulk backed by Celestial technology which is higher than Cyttorak.