Maul and Ventress vs ANH Obi Wan and ROTJ Luke

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
All Luke did was cut off Vader's arm, so I guess he really isn't a jedi yet.... And Vader's thoughts did make it obvious that he felt that Luke needed more training before he could face the emperor.

Might and will are two totally different things, especially when one opponent is a HUGE advantage that he chose to not use, and I'm still going to find the ending of the duel so i cant get a better understanding of Vader's mind state before he lost his hand.

No, because Ventress has no way of getting that same "DS boost" as Luke did nor does she have the raw power as Luke. But she still would beat him because she is quicker, more experience, would have no issue using the force on him, and she uses two lightsabers or she could connect to them to create a DBL, both are two forms that Luke isn't familiar with and would be a HUGE disadvantage for him in saber combat.

You make good points Elite. You could be right but I am still with Luke for a win against Ventress. Ventress did all the things you mention to an Anakin that was not near the power level he was in ROTS during there first fight. She was still overpowered. No skill by Anakin he simply overpowered her using the force. I would say Luke could do the same. To bad we don't have more info on Luke's abilities as of ROTJ.

So what? If he kills Ventress it's going to be him against Maul, and that point is impossible to argue.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I already stated this if you are going to compare movie Luke to a character that was never played in the movies by an actress then that is not fair. Everything you said about Luke anger is speculation. Good points though. Luke has always used aggression when fighting in the movies. There is no reason to believe he would not do so at this point when fighting another character besides Vader.

Point being I do not see Ventress putting Vader on his butt with Vader using the same effort he did against Luke. It wasn’t just Luke’s skill but the amount for force he was exerting that put Vader on the floor.

Basing generalized characters' success against people they have never faced while relying solely on the assumption that they'll repeat their every mentality from previous fights results in a match revolving around supposition and "what ifs." For example: "If General Grievous fought RotJ Luke, the only way we can accurately gauge Luke's combat-prowess will require Grievous to have intimate knowledge of a boy who was born after Grievous died, and then use that knowledge appropriately."

Can't be done. But for the sake of even having a match, if RotJ Luke was permanently in his state of anger while fighting Ventress---I still don't see how Luke's "angry club swings" are going to take down the highly-acrobatic and Sidious-approved lightsaber skills of Ventress.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Wait, what? Luke used aggression ala the Dark Side. He used the Dark Side when his father threatened to turn his sister. Unless Ventress is actually Luke's mother, why would Luke succumb to his anger?

I gave my reason for this already but this is up for speculation. Due to Luke’s lack of training when it comes to controlling his anger, there are plenty of reasons why Luke could succumb to anger when in a fight. Especially if he was losing or got frustrated, which I could definitely see Ventress making Luke frustrated.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Basing generalized characters' success against people they have never faced while relying solely on the assumption that they'll repeat their every mentality from previous fights results in a match revolving around supposition and "what ifs." For example: "If General Grievous fought RotJ Luke, the only way we can accurately gauge Luke's combat-prowess will require Grievous to have intimate knowledge of a boy who was born after Grievous died, and then use that knowledge appropriately."

True statement, as stated above speculation is involved here.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Can't be done. But for the sake of even having a match, if RotJ Luke was permanently in his state of anger while fighting Ventress---I still don't see how Luke's "angry club swings" are going to take down the highly-acrobatic and Sidious-approved lightsaber skills of Ventress.

As for you statement on Luke skills I disagree. Vader would not go down to someone who was swinging his saber with no skill. Anyway, if Luke does not use anger then I agree Ventress wins. If he does use his aggression then I see the same scenario that occurred in Ventress first battle with Anakin, she would be simply overpowered by Luke.

Originally posted by The Ground
So what? If he kills Ventress it's going to be him against Maul, and that point is impossible to argue.

Impossible! Why? Maul is going mess up and say something about Leia and Luke is going to go berserk on him. Luke Wins!

How didn't we see it!!herbha-son2

Originally posted by Kotor3
Impossible! Why? Maul is going mess up and say something about Leia and Luke is going to go berserk on him. Luke Wins!

Maul would feed off Luke's rage just like he did off Obi1's. Must be a metaphysical ability he has.

Thats a lot of sabers.
Luke kills ventress kenobi kills maul.
So there you go

But after she fled doukoo Ventress joined the nighsisters. A group of dark female jedi. They where shorlty killed of by luke

I'm interested in the story of "duokoo". Is it in an upcoming comic?