Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What does this all prove?Superman recently stalemated Orion even with his gear.
Those two are near equals.
Beta Ray Thor can hang with the likes of Thor, and other power houses. He was born in scorching heat. It's where he thrives.
Either way, Beta Ray Thor with Stormbreaker, would defeat Superman in a hand to hand fight. Orion is no different.
I agree, usually when someone has a WEAPON, they win. If he gets Stormbreaker, then Bill wins, but if it's Hth combat, Orion dominates. If he gets Stormbreaker and Orion gets full gear, Orion wins, IMO.
Bill doesn't have anything on Orion.
Originally posted by cloud102
I agree, usually when someone has a WEAPON, they win. If he gets Stormbreaker, then Bill wins, but if it's Hth combat, Orion dominates. If he gets Stormbreaker and Orion gets full gear, Orion wins, IMO.Bill doesn't have anything on Orion.
With Stormbreaker Beta Ray Thor obviously wins.
Without it, even the original Beta Ray Bill would give Orion a good fight. Orion would be far from dominating.
Beta Ray Thor is even more powerful. Even without his hammer, he can still win in a fight with Orion.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
With Stormbreaker Beta Ray Thor obviously wins.Without it, even the original Beta Ray Bill would give Orion a good fight. Orion would be far from dominating.
Beta Ray Thor is even more powerful. Even without his hammer, he can still win in a fight with Orion.
He can win a couple, but Orion takes the solid majority.
Originally posted by cloud102
He can win a couple, but Orion takes the solid majority.
You said he would dominate which is far from the truth.
Orion was stalemated by Superman with his gear. He isn't beating Beta Ray Thor with Stormbreaker in a fist fight, and if it was a pure hand to hand fight he far from dominates.
He would far from dominate the original Beta Ray Bill. I personally give the majority to Beta Ray Thor but that's debatable.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You said he would dominate which is far from the truth.Orion was stalemated by Superman with his gear. He isn't beating Beta Ray Thor with Stormbreaker in a fist fight, and if it was a pure hand to hand fight he far from dominates.
He would far from dominate the original Beta Ray Bill. I personally give the majority to Beta Ray Thor but that's debatable.
He would, IMO. a 6 or 7 wins is dominating, IMO. Orion slugged it out with Superman and that's the strongest you're going to get. Not to mention, Orion is a better hth fighter. He IS the Dog of War.
My point is, even fully geared he couldn't beat Superman in hand to hand combat.
He isn't beating Beta Ray Thor with Stormbreaker. Beta Ray Bill obviously wins this fight.
Without Stormbreaker this is still a close fight, and Beta Ray Thor does not get dominated. Far from it. I can see him taking the majority.
Beta Ray Bill the original, has sluged it out with Thor, and that's more impressive than stalemating Superman fully geared.
My point is, even fully geared he couldn't beat Superman in hand to hand combat.
How do you know? Most of the time the fights were broken up. Not inclusive.
He isn't beating Beta Ray Thor with Stormbreaker. Beta Ray Bill obviously wins this fight.
I already agreed this, but if he gets Stormbreaker, Orion should get a weapon, too.
Without Stormbreaker this is still a close fight, and Beta Ray Thor does not get dominated. Far from it. I can see him taking the majority.
Orion will work for it, but Orion takes the majority. Beta isn't anything new.
Beta Ray Bill the original, has sluged it out with Thor, and that's more impressive than stalemating Superman fully geared.
Thor isn't in Orion's league in terms of physical combat. Remember, Orion has slugged it out more than just Superman and has more experience than Beta.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Beta Ray Bill without his hammer is a power house as it is. With it, he wins.
BB physically is not on par with orion. its like compareing thor to superman. he can hold his own for a short time but it wont last long. Thus the reason he needs his wepon. Thor and BB, part of their abilities are divided amongst their magic, their physical abilities and their wepons. wher as orion is just a brick shit house period.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Without his hammer, Beta Ray Bill was able to hang with Thor.Orion taking down the original Beta Ray Bill, would be a very good fight. Orion will have to work for it, and he will be hard pressed to win.
With Stormbreaker, Beta Ray Bill, better known as Beta Ray Thor is even more powerful from what I understand and give him the striking power of Stormbreaker, and Orion goes down.
Thor in hand to hand combat has problems with herc, and herc would get wasted by orion even in hand to hand combat. Herc is more skilled as a grappler but orion is on par with superman in brute strength. compareing BB to thor as far as strength goes to show hes not up to par with orion in a H2H battle.
Originally posted by cloud102
How do you know? Most of the time the fights were broken up. Not inclusive.
They seemed plenty even.
Originally posted by cloud102
I already agreed this, but if he gets Stormbreaker, Orion should get a weapon, too.
Well, he doesn't. Talk to the thread starter.
Originally posted by cloud102
Orion will work for it, but Orion takes the majority. Beta isn't anything new.
That's you're opinion. Orion isn't anything Beta Ray Thor can't handle in my opinion.
Originally posted by cloud102
Thor isn't in Orion's league in terms of physical combat. Remember, Orion has slugged it out more than just Superman and has more experience than Beta.
Thor isn't in Orion's league in terms of physical combat?
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Are you joking me?
Thor is easily on the level of Superman, Orion etc. in terms of physical combat.
Throw in the fact, that Thor remembers every single past life time, and he has countless years of combat experience (Hundreds of thousands of years of experience throw on his own vast experience) and to say they aren't in the same league when the likes of Superman has stalemated Orion fully geared, and that's just silly.
Originally posted by zeel
BB physically is not on par with orion. its like compareing thor to superman. he can hold his own for a short time but it wont last long. Thus the reason he needs his wepon. Thor and BB, part of their abilities are divided amongst their magic, their physical abilities and their wepons. wher as orion is just a brick shit house period.
Thor can last with Superman for as long as he needs to.
He won't last for a short period of time. That's just ridiculous.
This is the same guy, who has literally stalemated Savage Hulk for entire hours on end in terms of strength. An enraged Savage Hulk, whose strength shoots up dramatically with each passing moment.
This is the same Thor, who has out wrestled the Midgard Serpent from Earth, lifted the Midgard Serpent, one shotted beings like Namor etc.
Thor would only last against Superman for a short period of time in a fist fight?
LOL!
He might not have as many pure physical strength feats as Superman but what he does have, show that he will evidently hold his own against Superman for as long time.
Beta Ray Thor can match Orion physically. That much is evident. He is a near equal to Thor.
Originally posted by zeel
Thor in hand to hand combat has problems with herc, and herc would get wasted by orion even in hand to hand combat. Herc is more skilled as a grappler but orion is on par with superman in brute strength. compareing BB to thor as far as strength goes to show hes not up to par with orion in a H2H battle.
Don't use Hercules as an example.
Thor outside of their little squabbles has feats beyond Hercules in practically all categories. Either Thor jobs to Hercules, or Hercules jobs to everyone else. The guy needs a bit more respect from Marvel.
Based on some of his higher end feats, Orion far from wastes Hercules. That's just silly.
Orion is on par with Superman with brute strength?
So?
That doesn't prove his taking out Beta Ray Thor in a fight. Some would say Beta Ray Thor is on par with Thor. I wouldn't though.
Beta Ray Thor can obviously hang with Orion in hand to hand, and who wins is debatable. Throw in Stormbreaker, and Beta Ray Thor is obviously the clear winner.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor can last with Superman for as long as he needs to.He won't last for a short period of time. That's just ridiculous.
This is the same guy, who has literally stalemated Savage Hulk for entire hours on end in terms of strength. An enraged Savage Hulk, whose strength shoots up dramatically with each passing moment.
This is the same Thor, who has out wrestled the Midgard Serpent from Earth, lifted the Midgard Serpent, one shotted beings like Namor etc.
Thor would only last against Superman for a short period of time in a fist fight?
LOL!
He might not have as many pure physical strength feats as Superman but what he does have, show that he will evidently hold his own against Superman for as long time.
Beta Ray Thor can match Orion physically. That much is evident. He is a near equal to Thor.
Yes thor would last as long as he wanted to against supes, PROVIDED he had his hammer and he fought smart. Its nothing short of rediculous to think thor is physically on par with superman. If this is your opinion, then your alone on it.
Originally posted by zeel
Yes thor would last as long as he wanted to against supes, PROVIDED he had his hammer and he fought smart. Its nothing short of rediculous to think thor is physically on par with superman. If this is your opinion, then your alone on it.
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Without Mjolnir Thor can obviously hang with Superman in a hand to hand fight. Thor isn't going down in a short period time against Superman in hand to hand fight.
Thor will last in hand to hand fight for a period of time and who wins is debatable. Thor isn't going down against Superman any time soon.
Physically Thor can match either Superman or Orion. Throw in Mjolnir and Thor beats either in a hand to hand fight.
I highly doubt, only I alone think, Superman doesn't take down Thor in a short period of time and that the two would go out it for a while. Who wins is debatable.
Thor's hand to hand skill, and experience gives him the edge if it's pure strength alone and he plays it smart.
Originally posted by cloud102
Sure, but you said Orion couldn't defeat Superman. They never finished their fights, so you can't make that statement. Besides, earlier showings have Orion in a sleight edge.
They were fighting for a few pages and they seemed pretty even.
I didn't judge the outcome of the fight. I said he couldn't defeat him in that time, which is true.