It depends.
Gladiator at one point can crush Stars, shatter planets, contain a Supernova etc. He is beyond most characters, but in another issue, he is stalemated by Colossus to an extent etc.
It really does depend on how he is written.
More often than not Beta Ray Bill wins, as Gladiator is more often written worse than he truly is.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It depends.Gladiator at one point can crush Stars, shatter planets, contain a Supernova etc. He is beyond most characters, but in another issue, he is stalemated by Colossus to an extent etc.
It really does depend on how he is written.
More often than not Beta Ray Bill wins, as Gladiator is more often written worse than he truly is.
Colossus back then was demonstrated by marvel as being an immovable, unstoppable force. He was giving juggernaut a fight back then and withstood blast that even dropped the hulk.
Gladiator at his prime is a beast and everything that you said about him is true.
Originally posted by carver9
Colossus back then was demonstrated by marvel as being an immovable, unstoppable force. He was giving juggernaut a fight back then and withstood blast that even dropped the hulk.Gladiator at his prime is a beast and everything that you said about him is true.
Colossus was weaker back then than he is know technically.
Either way someone like Gladiator should crush him. He was just hanging with someone like Juggernaut, and Juggernaut wasn't exactly the unstoppable force back then as he is know.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Colossus was weaker back then than he is know technically.Either way someone like Gladiator should crush him. He was just hanging with someone like Juggernaut, and Juggernaut wasn't exactly the unstoppable force back then as he is know.
Colossus was weaker back then but the writers forgot about that when they were writing him, especially during secret wars. Juggernaut has better showings in the past then what he has up to date. You barely see juggernaut in a book these days, its hard to place him in a comic due to his durability and strength.
Originally posted by carver9
Colossus was weaker back then but the writers forgot about that when they were writing him, especially during secret wars. Juggernaut has better showings in the past then what he has up to date. You barely see juggernaut in a book these days, its hard to place him in a comic due to his durability and strength.
Juggernaut has horrible showings back then compared to his more recent ones. I've seen him burnt, hurt, kicked back by the likes of Cyclops etc.
Current Juggernaut, can match even the strongest top tiers in strength, is invulnerable and for most intents and purposes unstoppable.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Juggernaut has horrible showings back then compared to his more recent ones. I've seen him burnt, hurt, kicked back by the likes of Cyclops etc.Current Juggernaut, can match even the strongest top tiers in strength, is invulnerable and for most intents and purposes unstoppable.
Everything you said, I agree with but his highest showings was shown in the past and everyone has low showings, even the almighty galactus have those.
Juggernaut has always been described as having unlimited strength, even back then.
Originally posted by carver9
Everything you said, I agree with but his highest showings was shown in the past and everyone has low showings, even the almighty galactus have those.Juggernaut has always been described as having unlimited strength, even back then.
Galactus has a huge plot device in play, mainly being his hunger. Back in the day he was also written a lot worse than he is know but some of those were retconned.
Characters like Gladiator also have it. His confidence is a way to explain bad showings, as is the Sentry's mental stability.
Juggernaut has a lot more low showings in the past, while more recently he has been more consistent. In the last few decades, Juggernaut has been described and has been shown as unstoppable, invulnerable etc. for all his showings except a few occasions.
I don't recall Juggernaut being described as having unlimited strength. Especially not back in the day, when someone like Colossus has hung with him. It's not true either way.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Galactus has a huge plot device in play, mainly being his hunger. Back in the day he was also written a lot worse than he is know but some of those were retconned.Characters like Gladiator also have it. His confidence is a way to explain bad showings, as is the Sentry's mental stability.
Juggernaut has a lot more low showings in the past, while more recently he has been more consistent. In the last few decades, Juggernaut has been described and has been shown as unstoppable, invulnerable etc. for all his showings except a few occasions.
I don't recall Juggernaut being described as having unlimited strength. Especially not back in the day, when someone like Colossus has hung with him. It's not true either way.
It was stated that he had unlimited strength when he went back to the cave to talk to cytorrak about granting him his powers and cytorrak was telling cain that the true person that was SUPPOSE to be the juggernaut was professor xavier. Thats not the only time it has been mentioned though.
He does have unlimited strength and invulnerability. Everyone that he has fought, he has overpowered, even hulk.
He doesn't have unlimited strength or invulnerability.
I've seen Hulk overpower him and swing around like a rag doll. He doesn't have unlimited strength and neither does the Hulk. The Hulk has potential for near unlimited strength.
Juggernaut is also immune to conventional forces and invulnerable to most types of attacks, but he doesn't posses unlimited invulnerability. No one is truly invulnerable, and that includes Juggernaut and Cytorrak.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He doesn't have unlimited strength or invulnerability.I've seen Hulk overpower him and swing around like a rag doll. He doesn't have unlimited strength and neither does the Hulk. The Hulk has potential for near unlimited strength.
Juggernaut is also immune to conventional forces and invulnerable to most types of attacks, but he doesn't posses unlimited invulnerability. No one is truly invulnerable, and that includes Juggernaut and Cytorrak.
Show me hulk over powering him, it has never happened, unless you're talking about war hulk who was powered by celestial tek. He stopped juggernaut but never over powered him. The tek that apocalypse got from the celestial put hulk at the peak of his strength.
The only thing that can damage juggernaut is magic, nothing more. I dont know where you got that from.