Originally posted by Charmander
Bill pounds his mohawk off.
Not happening, if anything, they're equals. Both has demonstrated planet destroying abilities and both is as powerful as someone in there tier could get. If there was anyone else fighting these two that are in there tier, I would give them them the majority without a doubt.
Originally posted by carver9Right...
Not happening, if anything, they're equals. Both has demonstrated planet destroying abilities and both is as powerful as someone in there tier could get. If there was anyone else fighting these two that are in there tier, I would give them them the majority without a doubt.
Anyway, Bill wins.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me hulk over powering him, it has never happened, unless you're talking about war hulk who was powered by celestial tek. He stopped juggernaut but never over powered him. The tek that apocalypse got from the celestial put hulk at the peak of his strength.The only thing that can damage juggernaut is magic, nothing more. I dont know where you got that from.
I've seen Hulk swing Juggernaut around and toss him around before and it wasn't War Hulk.
Juggernaut can be harmed by other things besides magic.
There are forces in the Universe greater than that what powers Juggernaut. He only posses a part of Cytorrak's power and has been harmed before by objects that are non mystical.
Let Galactus blast him, and all that will be left of Juggernaut is a stain on the carpet. There are plenty of forces that are non mystical that exceed that enchantment of Cytorrak that is empowered with only a part of his power.
I hate it when someone says Cain is immune to physical damage or some such. No one is truly immune to physical damage, unless you are some sort of Abstract etc.
Even the likes of Galactus has been harmed physically when sufficient force has been exerted.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've seen Hulk swing Juggernaut around and toss him around before and it wasn't War Hulk.Juggernaut can be harmed by other things besides magic.
There are forces in the Universe greater than that what powers Juggernaut. He only posses a part of Cytorrak's power and has been harmed before by objects that are non mystical.
Let Galactus blast him, and all that will be left of Juggernaut is a stain on the carpet. There are plenty of forces that are non mystical that exceed that enchantment of Cytorrak that is empowered with only a part of his power.
I hate it when someone says Cain is immune to physical damage or some such. No one is truly immune to physical damage, unless you are some sort of Abstract etc.
Even the likes of Galactus has been harmed physically when sufficient force has been exerted.
How about you show me juggernaut being hurt physically. I agree, I hate when people say it too but its the truth and it makes the character boring (even though hes the shit). The exemplers failed, thor had to get rid of juggernauts powers to even pose a threat to him. The entire xmen has failed and only resort to psy blasting him. Magic is the key of damaging juggernaut and that is only temporary due to his UNLIMITED healing factor.
I never said that hulk could lift the juggernaut, I said that he cant over power the juggernaut.
Originally posted by carver9
How about you show me juggernaut being hurt physically. I agree, I hate when people say it too but its the truth and it makes the character boring (even though hes the shit). The exemplers failed, thor had to get rid of juggernauts powers to even pose a threat to him. The entire xmen has failed and only resort to psy blasting him. Magic is the key of damaging juggernaut and that is only temporary due to his UNLIMITED healing factor.I never said that hulk could lift the juggernaut, I said that he cant over power the juggernaut.
Juggernaut is not immune to physical force and practically no one in comics is.
Do you realize that it doesn't even make a lick of sense?
According to that, all the Abstracts can pound on Juggernaut, and he wouldn't have a scratch. You could toss him in front of the Big Bang, and he wouldn't be hurt etc.
No one is truly immune to physical force. Someone like Juggernaut isn't even close to that. His master isn't even all powerful and all uses a portion of his power to enchant him.
I have not seen one instance where it says Cain is immune to physical force. He is invulnerable, to conventional forces etc. Invulnerable than most top tiers true, but saying his immune to physical force etc. or something along those lines is stupid.
How can you even proof that Juggernaut is immune to physical force?
It doesn't make a lick of sense. Anyone who says that, should take a step back, and look at how stupid it sounds.
I've seen Juggernaut hurt physically before. You want scans?
Just ask.
I can think of 3 events just off the top of my head, when non mystical forces were in play.
Thor had to cut of the Juggernaut's power to even pose a threat to him?
Lol!
Did you miss the part where a severely weakened Thor stopped him?
It is harder to damage physically than it is with magic but it isn't impossible. Someone like Galactus would easily turn Cain into a smear.
Plenty of beings can damage Cain through non mystical means. Any being superior to Cytorrak and in turn the enchantment that only has a portion of his power (Even Thor has overcome it.), should pulverize Cain through non mystical methods.
What would you describe the Hulk doing when he swings Cain around and tosses him around?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Juggernaut is not immune to physical force and practically no one in comics is.Do you realize that it doesn't even make a lick of sense?
According to that, all the Abstracts can pound on Juggernaut, and he wouldn't have a scratch. You could toss him in front of the Big Bang, and he wouldn't be hurt etc.
No one is truly immune to physical force. Someone like Juggernaut isn't even close to that. His master isn't even all powerful and all uses a portion of his power to enchant him.
I have not seen one instance where it says Cain is immune to physical force. He is invulnerable, to conventional forces etc. Invulnerable than most top tiers true, but saying his immune to physical force etc. or something along those lines is stupid.
How can you even proof that Juggernaut is immune to physical force?
It doesn't make a lick of sense. Anyone who says that, should take a step back, and look at how stupid it sounds.
I've seen Juggernaut hurt physically before. You want scans?
Just ask.
I can think of 3 events just off the top of my head, when non mystical forces were in play.
Thor had to cut of the Juggernaut's power to even pose a threat to him?
Lol!
Did you miss the part where a severely weakened Thor stopped him?
It is harder to damage physically than it is with magic but it isn't impossible. Someone like Galactus would easily turn Cain into a smear.
Plenty of beings can damage Cain through non mystical means. Any being superior to Cytorrak and in turn the enchantment that only has a portion of his power (Even Thor has overcome it.), should pulverize Cain through non mystical methods.
What would you describe the Hulk doing when he swings Cain around and tosses him around?
Do you know the reason why cytorrak was placed inside the gem. There was no force that could truly get past his invulnerability. They had to ambush him, he ruled over all and they imprisoned him for it. Its not cytorraks power that gave him ruling it was his strength and durability. Look at Trion, he was so strong, he was punching through dimensions.
You wont find a scan of juggernaut being hurt without magic because it never happened. Cytorrak didnt have a cap on his strength, so 1% of his strength to the juggernaut should easily put him in thors, hulk range of strength.
Originally posted by carver9
Do you know the reason why cytorrak was placed inside the gem. There was no force that could truly get past his invulnerability. They had to ambush him, he ruled over all and they imprisoned him for it. Its not cytorraks power that gave him ruling it was his strength and durability. Look at Trion, he was so strong, he was punching through dimensions.
There was no force that could get past his ability and he ruled over all?
😕
You mean to say he rules in his own dimension and was in control over Earth for a period of itme, and the Earth bound beings of that time could not harm him.
The way you phrase it, neither Galactus, Living Tribunal, or TOAA could get past his invulnerability.
It's not that no force could get past his invulnerability, it's just that no force powerful enough ever bothered to try.
Here is one instance of Juggernaut being hurt, physically. He says it himself. I find this instance the most amusing out of the others. I can probably think of 2 other instances off the top of my head.
Originally posted by carver9
You wont find a scan of juggernaut being hurt without magic because it never happened. Cytorrak didnt have a cap on his strength, so 1% of his strength to the juggernaut should easily put him in thors, hulk range of strength.
I'm not disputing the fact that Juggernaut can hang with the likes of Thor, Superman, Hulk which he can, I'm disputing the fact that you said, he has unlimited strength, which Juggernaut obviously does not have.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There was no force that could get past his ability and he ruled over all?😕
You mean to say he rules in his own dimension and was in control over Earth for a period of itme, and the Earth bound beings of that time could not harm him.
The way you phrase it, neither Galactus, Living Tribunal, or TOAA could get past his invulnerability.
It's not that no force could get past his invulnerability, it's just that no force powerful enough ever bothered to try.
Here is one instance of Juggernaut being hurt, physically. He says it himself. I find this instance the most amusing out of the others. I can probably think of 2 other instances off the top of my head.
I'm not disputing the fact that Juggernaut can hang with the likes of Thor, Superman, Hulk which he can, I'm disputing the fact that you said, he has unlimited strength, which Juggernaut obviously does not have.
Bad scan and I didnt see any physical damage. I knew you was going to use that lame scan. you might as well put up the scan where beast took his helmet off and he depowered. LOL.
You fail to realize that juggernaut doesnt have a cap on his strength and he can dip into cytorrak strength reserves anytime he wants.
Originally posted by carver9
Bad scan and I didnt see any physical damage. I knew you was going to use that lame scan. you might as well put up the scan where beast took his helmet off and he depowered. LOL.You fail to realize that juggernaut doesnt have a cap on his strength and he can dip into cytorrak strength reserves anytime he wants.
You didn't see any physical damage?
That's because he was covering his face with hands from the pain.
Can you not read?
He clearly says and I quote "Curse you Goblin. You've hurt me."
Black Tom even confirms it by saying "That he has".
Juggernaut can dip into Cytorrak's strength reserve anytime he wants?
😕
When has this happened?
