the 300 vs

I can see the point regarding Legolas firing from distance but I don't think any of his movie feats are from a hugely farther distance than the spear that kills the Persian commander before the battle starts....Maybe with 2 exceptions...1 in the two towers when he hits the orcs riding on the backs of those big animals and in fellowship when he shoots the orc in Moria just before Balrog and Gandalf face off on the bridge.

I also don't believe that breaking up the phalanx would mean defeat for the Spartans because several times in 300 they fight out of formation and and more than effective. They do it in the 1st fight and don't lose a single man. They do it against the 10,000 immortals (albeit with a little help) and lose very few. They do it against the magicians and also in the scene when the 2 Spartans, Stelios and Astinos go to town.

Originally posted by jaden101
I can see the point regarding Legolas firing from distance but I don't think any of his movie feats are from a hugely farther distance than the spear that kills the Persian commander before the battle starts....Maybe with 2 exceptions...1 in the two towers when he hits the orcs riding on the backs of those big animals and in fellowship when he shoots the orc in Moria just before Balrog and Gandalf face off on the bridge.

I also don't believe that breaking up the phalanx would mean defeat for the Spartans because several times in 300 they fight out of formation and and more than effective. They do it in the 1st fight and don't lose a single man. They do it against the 10,000 immortals (albeit with a little help) and lose very few. They do it against the magicians and also in the scene when the 2 Spartans, Stelios and Astinos go to town.

The most impressive thing about the first fight, I thought, was how Leonidas led the out-of-phalanx attack, but only by a few steps. If you pay attention to zoomed out moments, his men were literally right behind him during the entire scene.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
The most impressive thing about the first fight, I thought, was how Leonidas led the out-of-phalanx attack, but only by a few steps. If you pay attention to zoomed out moments, his men were literally right behind him during the entire scene.

If you pay even closer attention...half the guys at the back are cardboard cut outs...it's really obvious and quite patheticly cheap. 😂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmSIf6vUuCM

around 3:47

<.<...I couldn't see it. XD Maybe I'm just blind.

Originally posted by jaden101
I can see the point regarding Legolas firing from distance but I don't think any of his movie feats are from a hugely farther distance than the spear that kills the Persian commander before the battle starts....Maybe with 2 exceptions...1 in the two towers when he hits the orcs riding on the backs of those big animals and in fellowship when he shoots the orc in Moria just before Balrog and Gandalf face off on the bridge.

I also don't believe that breaking up the phalanx would mean defeat for the Spartans because several times in 300 they fight out of formation and and more than effective. They do it in the 1st fight and don't lose a single man. They do it against the 10,000 immortals (albeit with a little help) and lose very few. They do it against the magicians and also in the scene when the 2 Spartans, Stelios and Astinos go to town.

I wasn't implying that breaking their phalanx would mean defeat, just that if they're going to lose here, that would have to happen first and I don't see it happening.

Those were the two I was talking about, they were dodging and flipping about, similar to Achilles. ie 'the 300 are more than a match for the majority of their foes here even out of formation.'

Leonidas is a beast in his own right, he skewers two guys with a spear and them hacks a guys leg off at the femor. The Captain is also a bad-ass.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're ignoring that the Spartans can cover their rear while in formation, easily too, a few rows in the rear only need to turn and go back-to-back, as is side protection. They're experts at fighting like this.

Only way to defeat the 300 is by breaking apart their Phalanx(or sending thousands upon thousands of guys at them to slowly wear them down), even then, the 300 crew are superior lone combatants to most of their enemies here. Aragorn, Achilles, Legolas and a couple others withstanding.

You're also ignoring that the largest group, the Gangs, has no armor and almost no long range weapons, they'll be chewed up far faster than the Persians were, which took mere minutes to kill hundreds, so by the time Achilles' Phalanx reaches the rear, it will be 4-5 on 1.

I wasn't ignoring anything. I just don't believe it would be very hard at all for the opposing team to break the Phalanx and cause the Spartans to cluster.

Achilles knows exactly how the Spartans fight. I still contest that the Spartans are any more skilled than the Myrmidon. I actually believe they are more skilled but that doesn't matter because that's only opinion. At the very least i think we can agree that they are equally skilled. I'm assuming that the numbers between both armies are equal. I'm also assuming that Achilles and Aragorn are far more skilled than any of the Spartans. I can see Achilles dropping 3 Spartans for every enemy that the Spartans drop.

If Legalos has 50 arrows, he is going to drop 50 Spartans...,within minutes. He would most likely be targeting Spartans that are threatening Aragorn and Achilles. I also believe that the Myrmidon will break any formation they are facing. It may only take the Spartans a short time to regroup but by then the Spartans numbers will have dropped drastically. I'm sure the Gangs will drop very quickly but i think under the command of Achilles and Aragorn it would only take a few minutes to break the Spartans formation.

I definitely see how the Spartans could win easily but i think you're ignoring Achilles and Aragorns' experience and ability to strategize and rally soldiers.